PC Perspective on Patreon - Supporting In-Depth, Technical Content

Subject: Editorial
Manufacturer: Patreon
Tagged: video, patreon

Thank you for all you do!

Much of what I am going to say here is repeated from the description on our brand new Patreon support page, but I think a direct line to our readers is in order.

First, I think you may need a little back story. Ask anyone that has been doing online media in this field for any length of time and they will tell you that getting advertisers to sign on and support the production of "free" content has been getting more and more difficult. You'll see this proven out in the transition of several key personalities of our industry away from media into the companies they used to cover. And you'll see it in the absorption of some of our favorite media outlets, being purchased by larger entities with the promise of being able to continue doing what they have been doing. Or maybe you've seen it show as more interstitial ads, road blocks, sponsored site sections, etc. 

At PC Perspective we've seen the struggle first hand but I have done my best to keep as much of that influence away from my team. We are not immune - several years ago we started doing site skins, something we didn't plan for initially. I do think I have done a better than average job keeping the lights on here though, so to speak. We have good sell through on our ad inventory and some of the best companies in our industry support the work we do. 

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Some of the PC Perspective team at CES 2016

Let me be clear though - we aren't on the verge of going out of business. I am not asking for Patreon supporters to keep from firing anyone. We just wanted to maintain and grow our content library and capability and it seemed like the audience that benefits and enjoys that content might be the best place to start.

Some of you are likely asking yourself if supporting PC Perspective is really necessary? After all, you can chug out a 400 word blog in no time! The truth is that high quality, technical content takes a lot of man hours and those hours are expensive. Our problem is that to advertisers, a page view is a page view, they don't really care how much time and effort went into creating the content on that page. If we spend 20 hours developing a way to evaluate variable refresh rate monitors with an oscilloscope, but put the results on a single page at, we get the same amount of traffic as someone that just posts an hour's worth of gameplay experiences. Both are valuable to the community, but one costs a lot more to produce.

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Frame Rating testing methodology helped move the industry forward

The easy way out is to create click bait style content (have you seen the new Marvel trailer??!?) and hope for enough extra page views to make up for the difference. But many people find the allure of the cheap/easy posts too easy and quickly devolve into press releases and marketing vomit. No one at PC Perspective wants to see that happen here.

Not only do we want to avoid a slide into that fate but we want to improve on what we are doing, going further down the path of technical analysis with high quality writing and video content. Very few people are working on this kind of writing and analysis yet it is vitally important to those of you that want the information to make critical purchasing decisions. And then you, in turn, pass those decisions on to others with less technical interest (brothers, mothers, friends). 

We have ideas for new regular shows including a PC Perspective Mailbag, a gaming / Virtual LAN Party show and even an old hardware post-mortem production. All of these take extra time beyond what each person has dedicated today and the additional funding provided by a successful Patreon campaign will help us towards those goals.

I don't want anyone to feel that they are somehow less of a fan of PC Perspective if you can't help - that's not what we are about and not what I stand for. Just being here, reading and commenting on our work means a lot to us. You can still help by spreading the word about stories you find interesting or even doing your regular shopping through our link on the right side bar.

But for those of you that can afford a monthly contribution, consider a "value for value" amount. How much do you think the content we have produced and will produce is worth to you? If that's $3/month, thank you! If that's $20/month, thank you as well! 

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Support PC Perspective through Patreon

The team and I spent a lot of our time in the last several weeks talking through this Patreon campaign and we are proud to offer ourselves up to our community. PC Perspective is going to be here for a long time, and support from readers like you will help us be sure we can continue to improve and innovate on the information and content we provide.

Again, thank you so much for support over the last 16 years!

January 13, 2016 | 10:27 PM - Posted by koma

Good luck guys! Just subbed at $10/month. :beer:

January 13, 2016 | 10:32 PM - Posted by Benjamin Smith (not verified)

I'm happy to pay for the promise of no clickbait!

Can you promise no politics as well please?

January 13, 2016 | 10:44 PM - Posted by Tim Verry

Sounds like a plan. 

Hopefully you're cool with JoshTekk though, I think that's here to stay! :) 

January 14, 2016 | 12:00 AM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

I will be bringing up Christie Clark and Gregor Robertson more often


January 13, 2016 | 10:41 PM - Posted by Tim Verry

I would just like to say that I am proud to have worked for PC Perspective for almost  five years now. In those five years Ryan has allowed me full editorial control to learn about and cover the things that I find interesting and that I feel would be useful information to the readers. He has done a exemplary job of separating the operations and advertising aspects from the writing and analysis. The team has always been encouraged to dig deep into the hardware and branch out into new types of content free from outside influences.

Regardless of whether or not you contribute through Patreon, I want to personally thank all of you for your continued support. I am excited for the future of PC Perspective (in particular we have a lot of cool video content we would love to do that the extra funding would make possible), and to know that we are able to grow along with our community of readers while remaining an independent, ahem, perspective of the technology industry is an amazing feeling.

Thank you all, and here's to 2016!

January 13, 2016 | 10:59 PM - Posted by Shambles (not verified)

I'm very glad you opened this up. I'm adamantly against advertisements and this allows me to support a site that I consider one of the few quality tech sites out there. Please, please, please as you make any future changes don't add the reddit-esque comment voting system that turns every site that uses it into the same circle jerking hive mind. Perhaps it's just me but there's something that feels more genuine when I'm manually submitting comments and doing battle with bot posts. People who comment here generally put more thought and consideration into their comments than those other sites because there's no popularity contest here.

January 13, 2016 | 11:00 PM - Posted by Shambles (not verified)

Oh and where's Jeremy in the video? Dang border security holding up his packets! :P

January 13, 2016 | 11:58 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

costs a lot more to import a Canadian than to relocate an American


January 13, 2016 | 11:05 PM - Posted by Tim Verry

That's a fair point. One thing I would like to see change is some kind of notification or subsciption system for the comments as it can be hard to keep up with comment threads around the site.

January 14, 2016 | 12:59 AM - Posted by Kingkookaluke0

For the amount of information and work that goes into these productions, and effort. I feel great to be able to help support them in their endeavors.

January 14, 2016 | 02:21 AM - Posted by Desert_Nocturne (not verified)

Good for you guys! I've been listening since 2009 and the show is one of my favorites. Subscribed.

January 14, 2016 | 02:58 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

maybe you should tell everyone that you need a new office and make everyone pay for it like Linus did.

January 14, 2016 | 04:25 AM - Posted by Augustus

This is going to make all of you uncomfortable, except for Josh.

For around 3 years now, Wednesday night is a ritual for me. Friends know it, my newborn son is learning, and my wife is all too accustomed. By 8:45. I start filling my hot tub. I pour a glass of Bulliet bourbon.

Yes, there are bubbles. A mountain of bubbles. Twitch or Youtube (whichever is working at the moment because of fucking god damn Ken) is loaded onto my iPad. It has its dedicated mounting point at the end of my tub. And then we wait.

While my bubbles roar atop the pounding force of my tub's jets, Allyn makes us all uncomfortably silent with a Navy joke. Josh recedes further into Wyoming. Sebastian mentions a DAC for his NES. Morry finds a CMOS battery. And Jeremy says "cayche" again.

And then it starts. The glory of it all.

January 14, 2016 | 04:52 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Sausage fest.

Get a girl in the crew. The donations are sure to follow.

January 14, 2016 | 08:20 AM - Posted by collie

you must be rather new. Colleen made everyone else seem like little girly men with tiny little gaming rigs.

Miss you DigitalKitty!

January 14, 2016 | 09:36 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No kidding! How can anyone even read such a sexist, misogynistic website? I mean, how else can I understand the content of a technical blog unless the writer has a vagina? Plus, imagine the savings:

January 14, 2016 | 10:02 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

They may as well rename to the White Male Cis Scum podcast
Triggers me every Wednesday

January 18, 2016 | 12:10 PM - Posted by Josh Walrath

This comment triggered me. In a good way.

January 14, 2016 | 05:43 AM - Posted by Klyde (not verified)

I will sign up when the site works properly on mobile :)

January 14, 2016 | 06:27 AM - Posted by Ultramar

I would happily pay 20bucks every month for pcper content, provided i was allowed to kiss Josh's bald head in return ...

January 14, 2016 | 01:20 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

Like, just once ... or once per month?

January 14, 2016 | 03:08 PM - Posted by Mobile_Dom

i mean i assume he means once, but you never know when it comes to Josh

January 14, 2016 | 08:00 AM - Posted by Cyclops

Make sure you turn your VPN off when registering on Patreon, else it won't work.

January 14, 2016 | 10:58 AM - Posted by Searching4Sasquatch (not verified)

I'll gladly donate for a hw review website where the owner doesn't work at an company whose products get reviewed monthly. (cough Scott @ AMD (cough) I mean Tech Report (cough)

January 14, 2016 | 11:16 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I happy to help but is there a way to that with paypal directly. From what I see I have to create another account on Patreon and put my CC or Paypal. I just don't want to deal with one more account that I will most likely don't use for anything else.

January 14, 2016 | 11:49 AM - Posted by remc86007

For what it is worth, I find Patreon to be pretty painless to deal with despite generally sharing your inclination to have as few accounts as possible.

January 14, 2016 | 11:57 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

so we have to pay to watch video podcast now ?

January 14, 2016 | 01:18 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

nope, this campaign is for additional content and benefits.  You won't lose any access you have right now ... unless we tank horribly in which case you will need to click "10 Unbeleivable things you never expected to happen on PCPer."

January 15, 2016 | 01:16 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Thanks Jeremy was confused.

January 16, 2016 | 09:19 AM - Posted by ryanbush81

I find myself with an overwhelming desire to click on the "10 Unbelievable things you never expected to happen on PCPer." but the link is not working!!!

For real though, happy to support. I honestly didn't know how you made it this far without something like this. You go long stretches with no podcast advertisers at all. I was just assuming that Jeremy was doing it as a hobby. No, no, that's not a slam on the quality of his work...

January 18, 2016 | 02:54 PM - Posted by Ryan Shrout

Honestly, the podcast has never been a profitable part of the website; it was meant to be a way to communicate directly with the audiece and show that we aren't faceless writers but instead are realistic human robot synths!

January 18, 2016 | 04:39 PM - Posted by ryanbush81

That's awesome, but really, should rename Josh's AI to Alexa. Now that would make for a good show. Can't wait until the new shows start up.

January 14, 2016 | 05:18 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Begging for money on the internet while driving a brand new Tesla. Good Job Ryan!

January 15, 2016 | 03:06 AM - Posted by pdjblum

Is it legal or safe to beg for money on the internet while driving?

January 18, 2016 | 12:14 PM - Posted by Josh Walrath

Begging for money while being obviously fed and clothed!  Hell, they probably have the nerve to own a house as well!

January 14, 2016 | 05:51 PM - Posted by Qrash

Happy to contribute to a site that gives me information and enjoyment every single day. Count me in for $10/month (~$15 Canadian currently). More Canadian content please!

January 14, 2016 | 06:40 PM - Posted by pdjblum

I'm content with Jeremy.I thought it was clever anyway.

January 14, 2016 | 06:46 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom


January 14, 2016 | 06:50 PM - Posted by pdjblum

But you wouldn't post that news on the Canadian VR startup I forwarded to you last year. If you are not content with Canadian content, who will be? Long live Canada and all queens. And you are Canadian content, as you suggest, but I think they want more, which is a nice thing.

January 14, 2016 | 08:17 PM - Posted by collie

Hey, no-one says that Canadians are incontinent without getting s stick to the ribs, eh?

January 15, 2016 | 12:58 AM - Posted by pdjblum

What does that mean? I like it anyway in the same way I like dylan lyrics and hunter lyrics.

January 15, 2016 | 01:00 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

Hmm, totally don't remember that ... could just be my memory going though

January 14, 2016 | 08:45 PM - Posted by mAxius

at least you guys are reaching out unlike charlie who put up a paywall

January 16, 2016 | 06:45 PM - Posted by terminal addict

How about the different tiers get you a different number of entries for special giveaways? For example:

$3=1 "ticket"

Just a thought. I'll be in for an amount, but not sure which yet.

January 18, 2016 | 02:53 PM - Posted by Ryan Shrout

We talked about doing this on this week's podcast, but it's against the rules of the Patreon platform currently. Sorry!

January 17, 2016 | 04:16 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Shrout looks heavier.

January 18, 2016 | 08:36 AM - Posted by collie

he's still got the pregnancy weight to loose

January 17, 2016 | 01:11 PM - Posted by unclelala

Does it have to be monthly? How about when I'm in the mood to give or feeling financially secure?

January 18, 2016 | 12:15 PM - Posted by Josh Walrath

I believe under Patreon you can subscribe and unsubscribe at will.

January 18, 2016 | 02:52 PM - Posted by Ryan Shrout

Payments are taken each month on the 1st, so yes, you could pause and unpause your contribution based on that. I know that's not ideal, but it's what the system currently allows.

Thank you so much for your support!!

January 21, 2016 | 08:47 PM - Posted by stewrt

I so wanted to do the same thing. Just give $20 one time. I'll forget to shut it off and the wife will eventually get peeved at monthly charges.

January 27, 2016 | 03:53 PM - Posted by Bob Osorio (not verified)

As someone else mentioned, I would prefer donating on a monthly schedule directly via Paypal. I already do this for several podcasts (TWIT, Escape Pod, etc).

I really don't want to have to manage this through yet another 3rd party, one I have no existing relationship with, but I'd like to support you guys.

Surely Ryan must have a Paypal account for the company he can give us?


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