Toshiba Launches New 4TB and 5TB 7200 RPM Desktop Hard Drives

Subject: Storage | November 1, 2014 - 08:10 PM |
Tagged: toshiba, sata 3, hdd, Hard Drive, 7200 rpm, 5TB, 4TB

This week, Toshiba introduced 4TB and 5TB hard drives to the consumer space. Coming from Toshiba's Digital Products Division, the new drives are part of the company's PH3*00U-1I72 series and are the first four and five Terabyte 3.5" consumer hard drives sporting 7200 RPM spindle speeds (though enterprise and NAS focused drives have been available prior to these new drives).

The new 4TB and 5TB HDDs are 3.5-inch desktop drives with four and five platters respectively. Toshiba is using Perpendicular Magnetic Recording (PMR) and Tunnel Magneto-Resistive (TMR) technologies to hit 1TB per platter. The 7,200 RPM spindle speed allows Toshiba to hit an average seek time of 10.5ms, and the 128MB of cache stores frequently accessed data. The new drives are paired with a SATA 3 6Gbps interface. Toshiba has included NCQ (Native Command Queuing) support along with shock sensors and ramp on/off loading safety features.

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The new drives are compatible with Linux, Mac OSX 10.6, and Windows 7 or newer. Both the 4TB PH3400U-1I72 and 5TB PH3500U-1I72 come with a three year manufacturer warranty.

The 4TB drive has an MSRP of $299 while the 5TB model has an MSRP of $399. Fortunately for digital hoarders, the drives are currently selling at prices below the MSRP. The 5TB model is being priced around $320 while the 4TB model is priced between $220 and $240 at the time of writing depending on your retailer of choice.

Source: Toshiba

November 2, 2014 | 12:47 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Wont be long before 5TB comes knocking @ the $200 door. I'm still awaiting HAMR time. To 50TB and BEYOND!

November 2, 2014 | 05:45 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

First the HDD companies make them as cheap as possible. At this point they know there are going to be high failure rates, so to avoid that financial fallout they whittle the warranties to the bone.

I sincerely hope this practice comes back and bites their asses off, and they all go out of business once new storage technologies take hold (v-nand etc). They've all earned a painful death for their bullshit.

November 2, 2014 | 06:15 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

that was meant to be in reply to the comment below this one. sorry

November 3, 2014 | 03:33 PM - Posted by nathanddrews

5TB has been available for under $200 in external HDDs since they came out.

November 3, 2014 | 05:56 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

That's because those use TWO 3.5" drives under the hood. This is a single drive.

November 2, 2014 | 01:36 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Hopefully the shitty 1 year warranty will become a marketing mistake of the past.

November 2, 2014 | 06:13 PM - Posted by Shortwave (not verified)

Not till' all of the Shield Tablets are done falling apart at least.

November 2, 2014 | 05:28 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Start building drives with 2 sets of read/write armatures and R/W heads, and that have at least 128GB of SLC flash cache for the OS, and system software to reside, and write through background buffering from the SSD cache to the spinning disk storage hard drive portion. All non system data should be written/buffered to the SSD only when the dual read/write head assemblies can not provide enough bandwidth to keep up with the disk Queue/writes and application performance would suffer. Provide a tiered storage management software solution built into the driver package of the hardware, that has the ability to, in the background, backup the hard drive, and SSD system, portions to Tape/Hard-drive/DVD/whatever, without using any of the PCs/system's motherboard resources, in other words make the hard drive behave like a self contained NAS system, attached to a SATA port/PCI whatever port, and with its own backplane channel to the backup medium/drives. A storage solution with its own backplane channel to backup drives/etc. would be great for video work, and should not break the bank like an all SLC flash solution would, and still give the user reasonable data flow, and backup redundancy.

I would rather have a drive with a lot of platters, and an OS/controller OS that is smart enough to keep, whenever possible, the file on the same cylinder(same track for all platters) or adjacent cylinders so that any seeking could be kept to a minimum, with the ability to force the OS/file system to store video in non fragmented sequential order across cylinders/sectors, and if there is insufficient space for non contiguous cylinders/sectors, warn me and give me the option of having a defrag/compacting cycle initiated to make enough contiguous cylinder/sector space available, if I have a large task the needs lots of sequential file processing performed. I should be able to in advance tell the OS to make sure that there is X amount of contiguous cylinder/sector available at all times, and if the disk drive/storage system could defragment itself in the background without taking excessive system I/O resources that would be best.

Tape drives are still needed for archival backup, and along with hard drives and SLC SSDs(for W/R Caching, hosting the OS), and the proper tiered management software no user would need to rely on an expensive all SSD SLC solution. TLC appears to be a stop gap solution, until some technology comes that does not rely so much on processing intensive error correction schemes to make up for MLC/TLC deficiencies.

In the days before SSDs, systems had special system drives with more than one set of read/write arms to make up for the hard drive's intrinsic deficiencies, some mainframe systems had drives with fixed heads per track, where virtual memory paging was swapped to, along with other essential data. It appears that the SSD/Flash industry is more into pushing its expensive solution, and not trying to utilize SLC SSD technology, to at first extend the use of a more affordable hybrid solution, where the hybrid drive has more than the smallest amount of SSD cache, that is not even enough to store the OS, or very many cached writes/reads.

November 2, 2014 | 06:14 PM - Posted by Shortwave (not verified)

*Golf claps*

I like the way you think sir.

November 2, 2014 | 07:33 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I like the way I troll, so even less claps, are warranted, it has done its job, TLC SSD pusher of the new and shiny disappearing older files scam! TLC Flash is no more than uber slow refresh rate volatile RAM, that needs to be refreshed with a driver fix, and now wears out faster, with every refresh, where is the warranty extension to go along with the borked firmware, uber large Korean TLC flash pushers. TLC flash, when every disk controller will come with a quad core CPU, just to be able to do faster error correction, to un-discombobulate the errors, in smaller process node TLC. SLC flash(128GB+) caching for spinning rust, with a dual read write armatures, fast enough for most tasks, hybrid storage. Flash as regular Disk cache, and OS hosting, everything else stored on the platter, or archived to tape. Flash memory does not equal storage, and backups should still be done to hard drives, or tapes(for archival purposes), enjoy your Error Correcting fun you TLC fanatics, but its SLC or no cells at all, alongside spinning rust, and a tiered storage system for me.

November 2, 2014 | 11:46 PM - Posted by Shortwave (not verified)

Lol, you're fucking nuts.
Every company needs a wacko on their crew like you.
Sometimes the best ideas come from insanity and obscurity.
Again. *Golf claps*

November 3, 2014 | 08:41 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I do not care as long as its made overseas, and shortwave doesn't get any work out of it! I like the sound of it, made in China, on Vietnam, lower cost and plenty of SLC Flash memory, automatically load balanced to the dual armature multi-platter, bit of spinning rust, depending on the number of I/O operations. Now those dual R/W head assemblies offering twice R/W the bandwidth, with the SLC SSD there to handle load buffering should the system/application need it. That SSD cache would last decades, with the right load balancing and trim algorithms, and my crazy self would guess that about 90% of the time the dual armature hard drive could keep up with the bandwidth, unassisted from the SLC cache/OS system hosting SSD. And the backups all done through a backplane bus connecting this master drive, with all of the secondary drives for some background mirroring, and other backup functionality, and fire up the NAS OS on the master drive, with its Tiered storage management software and system drivers, and do not forget the Tape Drive for the Backups brought to the off site storage safe, hell it could be in a bunker out in the back yard. Yes put those TLC flash pimps, and their Shills out of business. This internal PC NAS could be connected up real fast, with the PCI-SIG external open standard cables, for much more affordable high speed data transfers. Damn, I'm foaming at the mouth, and howling at the Moon, and you should have said less than golf claps, but I say less money for the TLC flash shills!

I hear Intel has work in that Big mothballed FAB/warehouse for a underpowered Ultrabook CPU SKUs foisting worker, it pays minimum wage, and no benefits, man can you hear the mac mini users angry shouts at having that Ultrabook SKU crap, foisted on them, and touted as "world most power efficient Desktop". That mothballed FAB is full to the iron rafters with unsold Ultra-weak Ultrabook SKUs ready to be foisted on the iFools, and other slackjaws.

November 3, 2014 | 08:58 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

P.S. I hear that you hooked up with Caddy at the 19th hole, and caught a little case of the *Golf claps*, and how's that stub of an arm you got there, I hear you had to chew it off to get away from that one!

November 3, 2014 | 12:07 AM - Posted by Kingkookaluke (not verified)

Wow! Imagine all the porn that can be stored on those drives!!!Can I put one in my laptop?

November 3, 2014 | 01:16 AM - Posted by Tim Verry

No, unfortunately these are 3.5" drives so they will not fit into a laptop. You could always put it into a USB enclosure though :).

November 3, 2014 | 01:34 AM - Posted by fade2blac

Does this mean these drives are being made by what used to be Hitachi's HDD group? Back in 2012 as part of the WD/Hitachi merger, WD sold Hitachi's 3.5" HDD division to Toshiba. If so, they might actually have relatively better reliability.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-update-september-2...

November 3, 2014 | 01:54 AM - Posted by Tim Verry

From what I'm gathering via some quick searching, Toshiba got a 3.5" Hitachi (HGST) factory in China along with some workers, machinery, and some WD technology. So... they are made by Toshiba but influenced by some of the Hitachi technology Toshiba got as part of the deal WD entered into to purchase HGST storage division... at least that's my understanding of it from a cursory glance.

November 3, 2014 | 05:08 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

rather see ssd`s drop in price...

personally never going back to HDD, what a fucking joke that is
... ye, i rather have "small" amounts of space on my pc, if 500gigs is "small" to you

November 3, 2014 | 08:37 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

"the new drives are part of the company's PH3*00U-1I72 series and are the first 3.5" consumer hard drives sporting 7200 RPM spindle speeds."

Uhm, 7200 RPM is pretty much the standard spindle speed for 3.5" HDDs (5600 RPM for low power drives and most 2.5" drives, and 10,000 RPM for 'high speed' drives). It's not even Toshiba's first 7200RPM 3.5" drive (I've got a bunch of DT01ACA300 7200RPM drives in a NAS).

November 3, 2014 | 02:50 PM - Posted by Tim Verry

Ill clarify it when i am not nobile, but I neant these are the first 4/5TB consumer drives at 7200rpm. There are enterprise and NAS drives at those capcities and spindle speeds that precede these, but not drives aimed at consumer desktops.

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