CES 2018: AMD Ryzen Desktop CPU with Vega Graphics Coming Feb 12

Subject: Processors | January 8, 2018 - 12:00 AM |
Tagged: Zen, Vega, ryzen, CES 2018, CES, APU, amd, 2400G, 2200G

Though AMD might not use the term APU anymore, that’s what we are looking at today. The Ryzen + Vega processor (single die implementation, to be clear) for desktop solutions will begin shipping February 12 and will bring high-performance integrated graphics to low cost PCs. Fully titled the “AMD Ryzen Desktop Processor with Radeon Vega Graphics”, this new processor will utilize the same AM4 socket and motherboards that have been shipping since March of 2017. Finally, a good use for those display outputs!

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Though enthusiasts might have little interest in these parts, it is an important step for AMD. Building a low-cost PC with a Ryzen CPU has been difficult due to the requirement of a discrete graphics card. Nearly all of Intel’s processors have integrated graphics, and though we might complain about the performance it provides in games, the truth is that the value of not needing another component is crucial for reducing costs.

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Without an APU that had both graphics and the company’s greatly improved Zen CPU architecture, AMD was leaving a lot of potential sales on the table. Also, the market for entry-level gaming in small form factor designs is significant.

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Two models will be launching: the Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G. Clock speeds are higher than what exists on the Ryzen 5 1400 and Ryzen 3 1200 and match the core and thread count. The 2400G includes 11 Compute Units (704 stream processors) and the 2200G has 8 CUs (512 stream processors). The TDP of both is 65 watts.

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The pricing configuration gives AMD some impressive placement. The $169 Ryzen 5 2400G will offer much better graphics performance than the $30 more expensive Core i5-8400 (based on current pricing) and has equivalent performance to the $100+ higher Core i5-8400 and NVIDIA GT 1030 discrete solution.

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When looking at CPU performance, the new Ryzen processors offer higher scores than the units they are replacing. They do this while adding Vega graphics capability and matching or lower prices.

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AMD even went as far to show the overclocking headroom that the Ryzen APU can offer. During an on-site demo we saw the Ryzen 5 2400G improve its 3DMark score by 39% with memory frequency and GPU clock speed increases. Moving the GPU clock from ~1100 MHz to 1675 MHz will mean a significant increase in power consumption, and I do question the size of the audience that wants to overclock an APU. Still – cool to see!

The Ryzen CPU with Vega graphics is a product we all expected to see, it’s the first perfect marriage of AMD’s revitalized CPU division and its considerable advantage in integrated graphics. It has been a long time since one of AMD’s APUs appeared interesting to me and stoked my desire to build a low-cost, mainstream gaming build. Looks for reviews in just a few short weeks!

Source: PCPer

January 8, 2018 | 12:29 AM - Posted by Chaitanya (not verified)

Waiting for reviews of these APUs.

January 8, 2018 | 12:57 AM - Posted by LotsOfConnectivityFoSures (not verified)

I waiting for ASUS to announce that they will be offering Laptops with desktop Raven Ridge/Vega APU SKUs inside, and even some laptop options with Integrated/RR Desktop APUs and Discrete graphics also for gaming!

January 8, 2018 | 09:40 AM - Posted by Power (not verified)

Yes. Hopefully the new APUs supports VP9 Profile 2 decoding in hardware. Other than this one knows what to expect.

January 8, 2018 | 01:02 AM - Posted by sircod (not verified)

I think you mean "Vega graphics" , not "Ryzen graphics" in the title.

January 8, 2018 | 01:47 AM - Posted by John Blanton (not verified)

hey Ryan, I'm really excited about the new Zen/Vega based APU's!! I've been running on an OC'd A10-7850K that was ordered on release day. 4.5Ghz CPU and 990Mhz GPU. There may not be a lot of people that bought a previous gen AMD APU and fewer that may overclock them, but we're out here! :)

January 14, 2018 | 04:16 AM - Posted by msroadkill612

I loved that rig. It should have been a smash hit imo. Defeated by "intel inside".

January 8, 2018 | 02:44 AM - Posted by Anonymousk798 (not verified)

These are going to be so dope, 100$ and overclockable. Only wish they would come sooner.

January 8, 2018 | 10:12 AM - Posted by Marijan Stojcevski (not verified)

Hi, anyone can give me and idea how would the 2200 gpu compare to lets say 1030/1050/RX550? regarding madVR usage? thanks.

January 8, 2018 | 01:00 PM - Posted by Brandon Chapman (not verified)

2400g compares to 1030 gt. 2200g wilo be 8/11ths that. An overclocked 2200g with 3200+ ram will likely see 1030 gt levels. Not sure if a similarly overclocked 2400g will approach 1050 gt level

January 8, 2018 | 08:01 PM - Posted by barleyguy (not verified)

The 2200g might be faster than 8/11 of the 2400g, because they will both likely be constrained by memory speed. If they are both bottlenecked by memory, the number of CUs won't scale linearly.

The 2400g should be around the GT 1030 with 2400 mhz RAM (because that's what was shown in the graphs), and around the speed on the RX550 with faster RAM. The 1050 has much faster RAM than the GT1030, somewhere in the 250% range (3600 mhz (1800 DDR) at 128 bit), so it will be untouchable without something like HBM2.

It would be great if AMD would release an APU with an HBM cache. That would likely get it into 1050 territory. It would be also be comparable to game consoles.

January 8, 2018 | 01:04 PM - Posted by Brandon Chapman (not verified)

The difference is too great. A max oc 2400g will not rank as high as 1050gtx

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GT-1030-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050/m...

January 14, 2018 | 06:18 AM - Posted by msroadkill612

A 1050gtx being $140USD on newegg atm. Its hardly an apples with apples comparison.

Memory speeds have improved and there are latency advantages to the tightly integrated APU vs a pcie link for the 1050.

There seems a huge mother lode to be mined from this revolutionary architecture of zen and vega tightly integrated on Fabric. Coders will have a field day tweaking it if it becomes a mass platform.

January 11, 2018 | 11:02 PM - Posted by Anonymous2 (not verified)

I would buy this except for the fact that IGP performance does not seem to have been improved over the FM2+ A10-7870K ... which could run Witcher 3 at 1080p at just under 30FPS.

IGP performance, exception being Intel 8809 - that uses an AMD GPU - seems to have stalled.

And the new CPUs are ONLY compatible with Windows 10. Probably only 64bit which means a lot of games are going to get cut off from being able to run!

January 12, 2018 | 09:53 PM - Posted by AbsolutelyAnonymous (not verified)

You could always run Linux on the new CPUs.

January 13, 2018 | 01:11 AM - Posted by Anonymous2 (not verified)

forums.anandtech.com/threads/a-look-into-apu-graphics-performance-in-modern-games.2470705/

If the performance has not improved in those games for the new APU ... it is safe to say that for some reason performance is being held back.

January 13, 2018 | 01:15 AM - Posted by Anonymous22 (not verified)

Or I could hold on to the APUs that I have, which are capable for running everything from Windows XP to 10. And I have the discs and drivers for all those operating systems.

If the only "advantage" the new APUs have is a new socket and faster RAM ... but no better performance, and runs only on one operating system ...

I think I'm good thanks, without having to upgrade.

January 14, 2018 | 04:42 AM - Posted by msroadkill612

I have thought similarly. An FM2+ mobo with an ~ancient A10 or better apu, has much the same skillset as RR, so if you can live with its lesser power (and many can), no rush for RR & can wait for the 12nm pcie4 version, which should be a killer.

January 16, 2018 | 12:32 AM - Posted by Anonymous2 (not verified)

It's already well known that the AM4 A12-9800 gets beaten by the previous FM2+ A10-7890K ... so where does this leave the Intel 8th generation UHD630? A comment from techpowerup.com/240625/intel-could-ditch-amd-dgpu-die-on-future-core-g-series-mcms-with-arctic-sound
notb #9 Posted on Jan 15th 2018, 17:01
"The cheap HD IGPs aren't far behind. HD630 offers 50-70% of A12-9800 performance in games (e.g. Intel i5-8400 UHD Graphics 630 vs. AMD A12-9800 Radeon R7 iGPU. Intel UHD 630 vs Radeon R7)."

So ... looks like even the current generation HD630 can't beat the R7 7890K which came out ~2 years ago. And even AMD's current A12 can't beat it either.

Economic imperatives or silicon saturation, it looks as if either way both Intel and AMD are going to ration their performance improvement per generation for their IGPUs.

January 14, 2018 | 04:30 AM - Posted by msroadkill612

Its noteworthy that the now mainstream liquid cooling becomes more than twice as attractive when both processors can be quietly cooled by one cooler block (similar presumably to ryzen blocks).

So screw the extra power consumption & heat, those easily doable clocks look v attractive, esp. considering memory speed also dictates Fabric (processor & resource interconnect) speed.

No mention if OCs can be done on the fly, which would be cool, or if it requires a reboot?

January 14, 2018 | 07:14 AM - Posted by msroadkill612

What, if I may ask?, do you mavens think on the matter of memory timings with these zen apuS?

I have heard arguments, e.g., along the lines that all things considered, cl14 3000 ram has an edge over cl16 3200 ram for the improved latency or "smoothness".

Good latency WOULD seem v important for good integration of the APU's two processors and memory.

January 16, 2018 | 01:56 AM - Posted by Anonymous2 (not verified)

Would still only make a difference if the onboard graphics were better than that of the FM2+ R7 7890K.
Until that happens at stock - with benchmarks to prove that it does -, it's a very costly gamble as you need to buy a new board, buy new RAM, buy a new OS (unless using retail Windows 10), and of course the new processor.

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