$55 of Athlon agility, the 200GE

Subject: Processors | September 18, 2018 - 02:26 PM |
Tagged: amd, athlon, 200GE

If you are building a system on a budget, AMD is currently the king of the low cost machine.  For a mere $55 you can grab the dual core, four thread, 3.2 GHz Athlon 200GE and it's three Radeon compute units, add in a motherboard for the same price, a spare SSD and the only major remaining cost would be the DDR4.  The Ryzen 3 2200G is a better performing chip overall and is unlocked but it costs twice as much and might not be needed for some builds as you can game quite comfortably at 720p with the 200GE as Techspot demonstrates in their review.

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"AMD's most affordable Zen based processor yet, the Athlon 200GE is just dual-core, but before your shrek louder than the coil whine of a cheap graphics card, consider the price, this is a $55 processor."

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Source: TechSpot

September 18, 2018 | 03:54 PM - Posted by MoreSKUsThanOnlyDizOne (not verified)

With "three Radeon compute units" and only 2 Zen cores/4 threads this 3.2 GHz Athlon 200GE(The Pro Branded Version) is ready made for some Thin Client workloads or other uses in any small form factor business boxes that do not need much graphics power.

AMD also AMD announced 2 other Athlon SKUs for Q4 2018(1) the:

AMD Athlon™ 220GE Details to be disclosed at availability in Q4 2018

AMD Athlon™ 240GE Details to be disclosed at availability in Q4 2018

The AMD Athlon™ PRO 200GE is the one for Busines Thin Clients as the Pro SKUs get better management features and longer warranties/longer peirods of guaranteed SKU availability. The Pro Branded parts may also be from a little better bin, owing to the 3+ year warranty the Pro Branding recieves for the enterprise market users.

I'm waiting for some Rave Ridge H series APU based ProBooks to show up for purchase to replace my ageing Ivy Bridge/Radeon HD 7650M(Terascale rebrand) discrete mobile GPU based ProBook. So I'll bet I will not even need a diecrete mobile GPU as the RR H series APU's Integrated Graphics is probably more powerful than that Radeon HD 7650M(Terascale rebrand) discrete mobile SKU.

[Note: It's a Press release so beware of the Marketing superlatives, Oh F-ing Deity with the damn marketing folks and their incessant marketing dribble, "Reimagines", gag me with a Spork! Really it's more like AMD binns and re-binns but all CPU/GPU processor makers do that so there is nothing wrong with that from a business standpoint.]

(1)

"AMD Reimagines Everyday Computing with New “Zen” Based Athlon™ Desktop Processors, Expands Commercial Client Portfolio with 2nd Generation Ryzen™ PRO Desktop Processors"

https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2018-09-06-amd-reimagines-everyday...

September 18, 2018 | 08:21 PM - Posted by chipman (not verified)

Only 2 cores but with a dumb double DDR4 memory controller ridiculously limited to 2666 MHz for browsing the web at more than half the price of the Ryzen 3 2200G... that doesn't look like a good deal!

September 18, 2018 | 09:42 PM - Posted by serpico (not verified)

You still have not recommended an obvious alternative that is clearly better. Here is what you said:
"For a low power/cost HTPC, the Celeron G3930T should also be good enough and cheaper ($42) than the Athlon 200GE with hardware acceleration (cf. integrated graphic circuit)."

Here was my respones:
"I've personally never been able to find intels T processors for sale boxed. I get the feeling they only sell them to companies to put into all-in-ones and the like. For example, I'm seeing the 3930t you mentioned for sale at $55 and only tray (no box/heatsink).

I've also historically appreciated AMD integrated graphics more than intels (for old games or LOL/DOTA etc)."
And now that we actually see the performance, I stand by my graphics comment. Power consumption looks pretty good. So when you say "that doesn't look like a good deal!" I dont understand what you are comparing to.

September 18, 2018 | 10:35 PM - Posted by chipman (not verified)

Indeed. AMD fanboys won't understand the fact that the Athlon 200GE performance/price ratio sucks... but it seems they need to fill their stomach with sh!t. :-P

September 19, 2018 | 12:22 AM - Posted by CompareEnContrastTheBetterDeal (not verified)

But then you get Intel's dogfood Integrated Graphics and Intel's Price/DogFood graphics metric goes in the Crapper!

You do not appear to understand that it's the AMD graphics that's what makes it a better deal for some folks.

From Intel's ARK

Intel® Celeron® Processor G3930T

2M Cache, 2.70 GHz

# of Cores 2

# of Threads 2

Processor Base Frequency 2.70 GHz

Cache 2 MB

Bus Speed 8 GT/s DMI3

# of QPI Links 0

TDP 35 W

Configurable TDP-down Frequency 1.80 GHz

Memory Types DDR4 2133, DDR3L 1333/1600 @ 1.35V

And G3930T is only a F-ing 2 core/2 thread part so no TLBleed Intel HyperThreading(SMT) enabled on the Intel part compared to the Athlon's 200GE's 2 cores 4/threads(SMT enabled)! So do we need to do a price per processor thread Metric and the AMD SKU with twice the processor threads. And the Intel memory speed supported is 2133 max for DDR4 compared to the Athlon 200GE's 2667MHz DDR4 and can you even you even research in order to do a cost/benifit analysis!

From AMD's website:

Model:AMD Athlon™ 200GE

Family:AMD Athlon™ Processors

Line:AMD Athlon™ Desktop Processors with Radeon™ Vega Graphics

Platform:Desktop

OPN Tray:YD200GC6M2OFB

# of CPU Cores:2

# of Threads:4

# of GPU Cores:3

Compute Cores:5 (2 CPU + 3 GPU)

Base Clock:3.2GHz

Max Boost Clock:3.2GHz

Total L1 Cache:192KB

Total L2 Cache:1MB

Total L3 Cache:4MB

Unlocked:No

CMOS:14nm

Package:AM4

Default TDP / TDP:35W

Max Temps:105°C

System Memory Specification:2667MHz

Memory Channels:2

Graphics Frequency:1000 MHz

Graphics Model:Radeon™ Vega 3 Graphics

Graphics Core Count:3

DisplayPort:Yes

HDMI:Yes

________________________________________________________

For Intel HD Graphics 610:

Shading Units:96

TMUs:12

ROPs:3

Pixel Rate: 3.300 GPixel/s

Texture Rate: 13.20 GTexel/s

FP16 (half) performance: 422.4 GFLOPS (2:1)

FP32 (float) performance: 211.2 GFLOPS

FP64 (double) performance: 52.80 GFLOPS (1:4)

see refrence (1).

________________________________________________________

For Vega 3:

Shading Units: 192

TMUs: 12

ROPs: 4

Compute Units: 3

Pixel Rate: 4.000 GPixel/s

Texture Rate: 12.00 GTexel/s

FP16 (half) performance: 768.0 GFLOPS (2:1)

FP32 (float) performance: 384.0 GFLOPS

FP64 (double) performance: 24.00 GFLOPS (1:16)

see refrence (2)

(1)

"Intel HD Graphics 610"

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3021/hd-graphics-610

(2)

"AMD Radeon Vega 3 Efficient"

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3290/radeon-vega-3-efficient

September 19, 2018 | 01:04 AM - Posted by chipman (not verified)

You don't seem to understand that some people are paid to work in their office and the average Joe doesn't play video game on PC.

Sometimes gamers should take off their head from their @$$...

September 19, 2018 | 09:33 AM - Posted by Anonymous1618 (not verified)

Why give that advice? You seem to enjoy having your head in your @$$ considering the biased BS you post.

September 19, 2018 | 01:01 PM - Posted by MoreRepliesToChippyTheDaftOne (not verified)

Well work in your office but even office applications are making use of OpenCL and acceleration of spreadsheet tasks on the GPU, integrated GPUs or otherwise. And even for Browsing and Business presentations there can be WebGL/Other Graphics API driven Graphics Related tasks that can require a bit more GPU horsepower than Intel is offering. That's a lot more shader cores on the Athlon's Vega graphics than the shader resources offered on the Intel SKU and both the Chips' GPUs operate at between 300Mhz and 1Ghz clock speeds and having more shader cores counts especially for the 32 bit FP processing where most of the number crunching is done.

Sure Gamers do not matter that much in the overall scheme of things but Graphics related taks for even the city planning department are bing used to visualize things.

But if you work in an office then you should Know what a cost/benefit analysis is and the Athlon 200GE has got twice as many processor threads running as the Intel SKU and that SMT is enabled on the Athlon SKU! So that's more compute on the Athlon's more processor-threads(4 instead of 2) which counts towards any proper cost/benefit analysis using that cost/processor-thread metric as well as the procesor's total Cache size metric(Athlon has twice the L3 cache and then some) and PCIe lanes on the MB and the MB's cost, the cooling solution's costs, etc. With SMT enabled the average CPU core's execution unit utilization rate can be as much as 30% higher than if SMT is disabled! And that dependes on the workload but still the more processor threads enabled the better the CPU core's execution resources will be utilized!

Look at the wikichip entry(1) on the Athlon 200GE Pro variant that gets the longer term support and longer term product availibility for Business customers. And really you do not Know how to properly research and I question your office/business credentials unless, of course, you work in the mail room! 3+ year warranties on the Pro Branded parts and the same extended levels of firmware support for enterprise customers. For sure the Warrenty Engineers and Actuaries are doing the maths and usually that means the parts with the longer warrienties offered are pulled from the higher 5% to 1% top binned parts as far as that goes. And CPUs are binned on Power/Leakage metrics also in addition to other factors.

They have that Binning Process/Warrenty Period Science across the entire CPU/Processor industry with tables of figures that can be refrenced related to a processor SKU's MTBF(mean time between failure) based on the binning process with power/leakage and other metics and how that affects a processor's expected life time.

So the Pro parts are pulled from the top binned population of tested SKUs that have the longest expected life time, at least to the point where the warranty runs out and a little longer! 5+ years at the very least before the failure rates get higher in populations of Hundreds of thousands of processors. The maths can be fairly complicated but they have been doing that for decades and the processor makers have continued to refine QA/QC process so they can properly warranty their parts without breaking the bank.

(1)

"Athlon PRO 200GE - AMD"

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/athlon/pro_200ge

September 19, 2018 | 04:18 PM - Posted by chipman (not verified)

Only AMD losers can eat their own open crap technology but in reality, less than 1 % of softwares used by the average Joe is hardware accelerated via any 3D API.

For example, Chrome 3D rasterization is disabled by default on desktop.

September 19, 2018 | 04:14 AM - Posted by sanadanosa

So, what's the point of Bristol Ridge CPUs now?

September 19, 2018 | 05:05 AM - Posted by TechCat (not verified)

The real mem spec here 2933 is supported and there are YT vids running 3000 and 3200.
" 2933 MT/s on motherboards with at least six PCB layers only, otherwise 2667 MT/s four-layer boards."
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/athlon/200ge

September 19, 2018 | 03:58 PM - Posted by chipman (not verified)

You're clearly wrong!

The double DDR4 memory controller is rated to 2667 MHz, probably to contain the TDP to 35 W.

source: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-athlon-pro-200ge

September 19, 2018 | 05:57 AM - Posted by Pit Nicker (not verified)

before your shrek louder than the coil whine of a cheap graphics card
WHAT... ARE YOU DOING... IN MY SWAMP!

September 19, 2018 | 12:52 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

LOL, didn't notice their spelling until you pointed it out.

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