The sound and Fury of the RX Vega 56

Subject: Graphics Cards | August 28, 2017 - 04:41 PM |
Tagged: vega 56, amd, radeon, R9 Fury

Having wrapped up their initial review of AMD's new RX Vega 56, [H]ard|OCP was curious how it stacks up in a direct competition with last generations R9 Fury.  The comparison is interesting, ROPs and Texture Units are the same in both cards, while the Fury uses HBM1 at a 4096bit interface while the Vega 56 uses HBM2 at 2048; clocks are 500MHz versus 800MHz respectively.  The prices are quite different, the Fury clocked in at $550 while the Vega 56 should be available at $400; not that there is any stock at any price. 

Check out the full article for specifics; the short answer is that you can expect the new Vega card to boast an average 25% performance advantage over the Fury.

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"Do you have an AMD Radeon R9 Fury based video card and want to know if AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 at a lesser price is a performance upgrade? Do you want to know if architecturally AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 is faster than AMD Radeon R9 Fury? This follow-up performance review should answer those questions."

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August 28, 2017 | 08:55 PM - Posted by LW (not verified)

the RX Vega 56 Great new card from AMD the fantastic GTX 1070 killer sold out world wide today Sold Out in less than 60 seconds and never seemed to be at $399.00. It looks like you have to hurry to get a GTX 1080 or keep saving for a GTX 1080TI. since AMD has great CPU's but they seem notto be making the RX 580'S that everone wants for Miners & Gamers.

August 28, 2017 | 09:54 PM - Posted by Bill Bonds (not verified)

If you're persistent, patient, and when the time comes, quick with your mouse, keyboard, and wallet, you can snag an RX 580 from Newegg at a somewhat reasonable price. I just got one a couple of weeks ago. I'm thinking I just happened to be checking when they got a shipment in, because within minutes of completing my order they were sold out again.

August 28, 2017 | 10:01 PM - Posted by TheBigBucksScream (not verified)

Perfect time for Nvidia to raise their GPU prices if AMD's GPU are in such demand that AMD's retail channel partners are pricing things higher than MSRP/SEP. If Nvidia can get its customers to regularly pay more then I say JHH needs to start easing the GTX 1080 and GTX 1080Ti pricing higher and the GTX 1070 is already selling at inflated pricing.

Nvidia should be easily able to get $50-$100 more for its GPU SKUs and AMD should focus on getting the Vega 10 dies into its professional Radeon WX 9100 and Radeon Instinct MI25 SKUs as that's where Vega 10 will bring the best margins, and gamers/miners will have to wait.

Vega is such a good compute oriented GPU micro-arch that Vega 64 puts the Quadro P6000 to shame in some interesting compute benchmarks with even some Vega 64 benchmarks that also put the Titian XP in the rearview mirrior.

GPUs are in damand for more than gaming now so it's time to begin increasing the wholsale GPU pricing and making those revenues for the stockholders. The PC market is shrinking but the server/AI professional market is just getting its taste of GPUs for compute/AI and that market can pay much higher markups. So for the Professional markets that's where ths GPU production is going towards with the coin miners having to source from the same remainig production as the gaming market.

The real money is in the compute/AI part of the GPU market just like it has been in the CPU market all along, and money not only talks it screams loudest from the professional markets with those deep deep pockets that the gamers and miners can not match!

August 29, 2017 | 03:07 PM - Posted by Just an Nvidia User (not verified)

The 56 is the best Rx Vega card hands down. RX Vega 56/64 still do not give you a premium VR experience compared to the gtx 1080/ti.

Vega is a very good compute card though and if games we entirely dependent on compute they would have a winner.

Good effort but the limitations of a 5+ year old GCN architecture prevent it from being more.

RX Vega cards are worse in performance per watt when compared to the Nvidia counterparts. The 56 even eats more watts than a 1080ti. But in performance per dollar it is way better than Rx Vega 64 especially the water-cooled version.

It's 25% better than the Fury though. Light applause is heard in the background. 1080ti over 980ti is 40%+ better.

August 30, 2017 | 07:11 PM - Posted by ItIsTheProfessionalMarketsThatMatter (not verified)

The Rx Vega 64 and 56 are the passed-over Vega 10 dies from all that Radeon Pro WX and Radeon Instinct production(That Gets the Cherry Vega 10 dies). And I would not expect them to perform better than the GTX 1080Ti with its 88 ROPs compared to the RX Vega 64's 64 ROPs. Look at Vega 64's Pixel Rate at only 98.94 GPixel/s compared to the GTX 1080Ti's 139.2 GPixel/s rate.

So let's look at that techgage article with the Vega 64 cleaning the Quadro P6000's clock on some very interesting compute workloads and the Vega 64 even beating the Titan XP on some conmpute workloads as well. And you can see that Raja's RTG did exactly what AMD's BOD and CEO asked of him and produced a Vega 10 GPU Compute micro-arch first and formost and that the Epyc Deals alongside the Radeon Pro WX and Radeon Instinct Professional market deals in Asia are what AMD was looking for and not any gaming top end Flagship Hollow Championship wins in a consumer gaming market with not that much revenue potential for AMD.

The Vega 10 GPU micro-arch is not 5+ years old it's new but it's not a gaming only GPU micro arch, as if some gamers are foolish enough to believe that AMD's GPU are all about gaming. Vega 10 is not a gaming only GPU Micro-Arch or AMD would have stuffed more ROPs in there and removed more compute.

Vega 56 is more of a gaming focused bin of that Vega 10 Compute focused GPU Micro-Arch and there are some new benchmarks showing that Vega 56 can get closer to the GTX 1080 than the Vega 64 can get to the GTX 1080ti with its 88 ROP commanding lead over the Vega 64's only 64 ROPs.

What you, Just an Nvidia User, can not make heads or tails of is the fact that AMD's Vega 10 GPU micro-arch in not there for JUST gaming it's there for compute and it can be gamed on pretty well in spite of Vega 10 being a compute focused design first and formost. And Raja gets a big bonus for that Vega 10 compute as AMD needs that compute on Vega more to complement Epyc in the server room.

AMD is making million dollar/billion dollar deals across Asia with its Epyc CPU SKUs with the Radeon Pro WX and Radeon Instinct Professional GPU SKUs going along for that professional market ride and its really big margins that the consumer/gaming market can not afford to pay.

AMD has never been a gaming only company like ATI! AMD had a share price pretty damn close to Nvidia's current share price and AMD did that on its CPU business alone because when AMD's share price was in the $90+ range AMD had not yet purchased ATI, and AMD had a sizable Opteron server market share. So what you still can not appear to be able to come to grips with is the fact that AMD is not a gaming only company and neither is Nvidia.

AMD's stockholders are not angry at Raja because AMD's stockholders are in AMD stocks for their professional market potential with gaming there as a smaller revenue source. AMD's Epyc Sales revenues will dwarf any gaming only GPU sales revenues if you look at AMD's past stock history and even AMD professional GPU revenues will be better than AMD's consumer gameing revenues.

So enjoy your GTX 1080ti and AMD will Enjoy its Vega 10 GPU compute micro-arch sales along side its Epyc sales right down to the bank, and any crying gamers can put that in their pipes and smoke it!

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