AMD Radeon Crimson Edition drivers continue quality improvement

Subject: Graphics Cards | April 11, 2016 - 11:23 AM |
Tagged: rtg, radeon technologies group, radeon, driver, crimson, amd

For longer than AMD would like to admit, Radeon drivers and software were often criticized for plaguing issues on performance, stability and features. As the graphics card market evolved and software became a critical part of the equation, that deficit affected AMD substantially. 

In fact, despite the advantages that modern AMD Radeon parts typically have over GeForce options in terms of pure frame rate for your dollar, I recommended an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970, 980 and 980 Ti for our three different VR Build Guides last month ($900, $1500, $2500) in large part due to confidence in NVIDIA’s driver team to continue delivering updated drivers to provide excellent experiences for gamers.

But back in September of 2015 we started to see changes inside AMD. There was drastic reorganization of the company and those people in charge. AMD setup the Radeon Technologies Group, a new entity inside the organization that would have complete control over the graphics hardware and software directions. And it put one of the most respected people in the industry at its helm: Raja Koduri. On November 24th AMD launched Radeon Software Crimson, a totally new branding, style and implementation to control your Radeon GPU. I talked about it at the time, but the upgrade was noticeable; everything was faster, easier to find and…pretty.

Since then, AMD has rolled out several new drivers with key feature additions, improvements and of course, game performance increases. Thus far in 2016 the Radeon Technologies Group has released 7 new drivers, three of which have been WHQL certified. That is 100% more than they had during this same time last year when AMD released zero WHQL drivers and a big increase over the 1 TOTAL driver AMD released in Q1 of 2015.

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Maybe most important of all, the team at Radeon Technologies Group claims to be putting a new emphasis on “day one” support for major PC titles. If implemented correctly, this gives enthusiasts and PC gamers that want to stay on the cutting edge of releases the ability to play optimized titles on the day of release. Getting updated drivers that fix bugs and improve performance weeks or months after release is great, but for gamers that may already be done with that game, the updates are worthless. AMD was guilty of this practice for years, having driver updates that would fix performance issues on Radeon hardware for reviewer testing but that missed the majority of the play time of early adopting consumers.

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Thus far, AMD has only just started down this path. Newer games like Far Cry Primal, The Division, Hitman and Ashes of the Singularity all had drivers from AMD on or before release with performance improvements, CrossFire profiles or both. A few others were CLOSE to day one ready including Rise of the Tomb Raider, Plants vs Zombies 2 and Gears of War Ultimate Edition.

 

Game Release Date First Driver Mention Driver Date Feature / Support
Rise of the Tomb Raider 01-28-2016 16.1.1 02-05-2016 Performance and CrossFire Profile
Plants vs Zombies 2 02-23-2016 16.2.1 03-01-2016 Performance
Gears Ultimate Edition 03-01-2016 16.3 03-10-2016 Performance
Far Cry Primal 03-01-2016 16.2.1 03-01-2016 CrossFire Profile
The Division 03-08-2016 16.1 02-25-2016 CrossFire Profile
Hitman 03-11-2016 16.3 03-10-2016 Performance, CrossFire Profile
Need for Speed 03-15-2016 16.3.1 03-18-2016 Performance, CrossFire Profile
Ashes of the Singularity 03-31-2016 16.2 02-25-2016 Performance

 

AMD claims that the push for this “day one” experience will continue going forward, pointing at a 35% boost in performance in Quantum Break between Radeon Crimson 16.3.2 and 16.4.1. There will be plenty of opportunities in the coming weeks and months to test AMD (and NVIDIA) on this “day one” focus with PC titles that will have support for DX12, UWP and VR.

The software team at RTG has also added quite a few interesting features since the release of the first Radeon Crimson driver. Support for the Vulkan API and a DX12 capability called Quick Response Queue, along with new additions to the Radeon settings (Per-game display scaling, CrossFire status indicator, power efficiency toggle, etc.) are just a few.

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Critical for consumers that were buying into VR, the Radeon Crimson drivers launched with support alongside the Oculus Rift and HTC Vive. Both of these new virtual reality systems are putting significant strain on the GPU of modern PCs and properly implementing support for techniques like timewarp is crucial to enabling a good user experience. Though Oculus and HTC / Valve were using NVIDIA based systems more or less exclusively during our time at the Game Developers Summit last month, AMD still has approved platforms and software from both vendors. In fact, in a recent change to the HTC Vive minimum specifications, Valve retroactively added the Radeon R9 280 to the list, giving a slight edge in component pricing to AMD.

AMD was also the first to enable full support for external graphics solutions like the Razer Core external enclosure in its drivers with XConnect. We wrote about that release in early March, and I’m eager to get my hands on a product combo to give it a shot. As of this writing and after talking with Razer, NVIDIA had still not fully implemented external GPU functionality for hot/live device removal.

When looking for some acceptance metric, AMD did point us to a survey they ran to measure the approval and satisfaction of Crimson. After 1700+ submission, the score customers gave them was a 4.4 out of 5.0 - pretty significant praise even coming from AMD customers. We don't exactly how the poll was run or in what location it was posted, but the Crimson driver release has definitely improved the perception that Radeon drivers have with many enthusiasts.

I’m not going to sit here and try to impart on everyone that AMD is absolved of past sins and we should immediately be converted into believers. What I can say is that the Radeon Technologies Group is moving in the right direction, down a path that shows a change in leadership and a change in mindset. I talked in September about the respect I had for Raja Koduri and interviewed him after AMD’s Capsaicin event at GDC; you can already start to see the changes he is making inside this division. He has put a priority on software, not just on making it look pretty, but promising to make good on proper multi-GPU support, improved timeliness of releases and innovative features. AMD and RTG still have a ways to go before they can unwind years of negativity, but the ground work is there.

The company and every team member has a sizeable task ahead of them as we approach the summer. The Radeon Technologies Group will depend on the Polaris architecture and its products to swing back the pendulum against NVIDIA, gaining market share, mind share and respect. From what we have seen, Polaris looks impressive and differentiates from Hawaii and Fiji fairly dramatically. But this product was already well baked before Raja got total control and we might have to see another generation pass before the portfolio of GPUs can change around the institution. NVIDIA isn’t sitting idle and the Pascal architecture also promises improved performance, while leaning on the work and investment in software and drivers that have gotten them to the dominant market leader position they are in today.

I’m looking forward to working with AMD throughout 2016 on what promises to be an exciting and market-shifting time period.

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April 11, 2016 | 11:53 AM - Posted by mrvco (not verified)

Polaris and Vega, I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

April 11, 2016 | 11:59 AM - Posted by DTUB

Honestly, only care about the name that comes after 'Crimson' #colours

April 11, 2016 | 12:21 PM - Posted by anonymous (not verified)

Great to see AMD is finally taking responsibility for their end-user experience through better Day 1 driver and game support. In the past they would be happy enough to blame the competition for their shortcomings instead of working to better support their own products for their own users.

April 11, 2016 | 09:31 PM - Posted by BrightCandle (not verified)

To be fair they are still doing that as well. Its a strategy that has really taken hold of a lot of people, they genuinely believe what AMD is telling them instead of seeing the history of AMD failing to release drivers, blaming everyone else and then a month later releasing a driver that fixes it.

April 14, 2016 | 07:02 PM - Posted by The_Countess (not verified)

except there is a clear proven history of nvidia using gameworks influence, and gameworks itself to push for technologies that don't bring many or even any benefits but run relatively well on nvidia's latest cards, making them appear faster then they really are in comparison to their own older cards and AMD's cards.

a 3000 line shader for dog hair (cod: ghost), worlds most graphically advance concrete block(crisis2), the billion polygon batman cape, 64x tessellation (witcher 3 hairworks, tombraider, batman) ect ect.

April 11, 2016 | 01:02 PM - Posted by Daniel Masterson (not verified)

If AMD can up their Driver game then I definitely will be picking up a Polaris card but ill wait and see how pascal performs. This is great news though

April 11, 2016 | 01:23 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Too bad the CF profile for The Division is still broken. Having drivers "day one" is nothing to brag about if they don't work. They put a fancy front end on their old drivers and called it "Crimson" to trick people into thinking it was something new. Of course, most of the actually useful settings are buried in a sub menu through a link that just takes you back to the old UI. What a joke! I'm just a bit bummed to hear NV isn't quite up to snuff on DX12 because I was ready to run away from AMD as fast as possible the day Pascal dropped.

April 11, 2016 | 01:55 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Cant agree more. The flickering from my crossfire 7970 is pretty annoying and game breaking.

April 11, 2016 | 02:50 PM - Posted by CB (not verified)

+1

Enabling crossfire cuts my framerates in half in The Division.

April 11, 2016 | 04:46 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

The Crossfire profile for Fallout 4 is still broken and that game has been out for 6 months. I have 2 390s, but have to disable CF to even play the game without massive stuttering, tearing and graphical corruption.

April 14, 2016 | 06:29 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

That's weird. Xfire 3 furys, tweaked FO4, have no issues, no glitches, nothing, just an occasional red screen of death mid game. I mean COME ON.

April 15, 2016 | 11:32 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Use the Skyrim profile

April 11, 2016 | 09:14 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Gameworks titles are especially challenging for AMD to work around limitations imposed to them. This time nvidia did thier homework, they screwed AMD good!

April 11, 2016 | 11:31 PM - Posted by JohnL (not verified)

Agree.....if one looks back at the changelogs from the first crimson driver until the latest drivers, there are mentions about 'Known Issues' of crossfire flickering which are NEVER FIXED until now.

April 12, 2016 | 02:24 AM - Posted by Astrix_au (not verified)

I no longer use crossfire, I now own a single Fury X from two MSI R9 290x Gaming cards.

Crossfire support will always be behind and that's on both AMD and Nvidia, some games don't even support it. The frame times are better with a single GPU and now a single Fury X on BF4 can get 144fps on High at 1440p on 144hz with freesync. It's in my opinion the smarter choice and best possible experience.

The next gen AMD GPU's will be even better for 1440p 144hz on a single card. I've had 280x's and 290x's in crossfire and I'll take one card anyday.

April 11, 2016 | 01:50 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

this doesn't work on my 4 yr old laptop as AMD decided that was to old to support. F U AMD

April 14, 2016 | 05:00 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Probably because you don't have GCN graphics in there, but there are actually crimson releases that work for the non-GCN legacy graphics too. That includes the late 2015 and 2016.1 releases, running them on my hd 5670 desktop and works fine.

April 11, 2016 | 02:29 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

As someone who went from GeForce Experience to Radeon Crimson... the difference is night and day.
Crimson is insanely fast (relative to GFE), drivers update without a hassle (I can't even recall how many failed driver installations I had with GFE..) the whole thing is a sweet package, and it's very pleasing to the eye on top of that.

Drivers have been good and consistent, as someone going from Nvidia GTX 760 to Radeon R9 290X... the difference is night and day, in hardware and software.

I'm impressed through and through, and as a previous Nvidia owner I can see there is a marked improvement in every aspect.

Super hopeful for AMD (RTG) this year, hopefully they don't mess up Polaris.

April 11, 2016 | 03:29 PM - Posted by Geforcepat (not verified)

Now if they had done all of this a year ago.... i would've probably stayed in the red camp.

April 11, 2016 | 03:51 PM - Posted by JohnGR

""" I recommended an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970, 980 and 980 Ti for our three different VR Build Guides last month ($900, $1500, $2500) in large part due to confidence in NVIDIA’s driver team to continue delivering updated drivers to provide excellent experiences for gamers."""

And I was one of the first to criticize those choices, considering that many where saying that AMD cards have the theoretical at least advantage in VR. And if that AMD sempron avatar doesn't add any credibility to that comment, all Nvidia drivers after 362, WHQL included, give enough credibility to that opinion.

One year ago other tech sites where fearing for AMD's own existence because of the lack of WHQL drivers, now the press keep a very calm attitude towards the latest Nvidia drivers problems after 362, something that also did in the past when Chrome browser was crushing every here and then with certain Nvidia drivers.

April 11, 2016 | 09:23 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Hey Remember when AMD launched their first Crimson Driver and it killed AMD cards by turning off the fan.

Of course you don't, Sempron Avatar Shield of Ignorance ensures it.

April 12, 2016 | 02:32 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Only when the overdrive feature is enabled and it throttles the fan down to 30% speed, with potential to cause damage if ran for a long time, not turning the fan off completely. Which unlike nVidia's WHQL drivers that damages VRMs, GPU and even LCD panels by just installing and then running on it.

April 12, 2016 | 09:10 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I'll take my chances with unsubstantiated reports of magical VRM death over 100% bonafide admitted guilt in turning fans off like AMD did via driver anyday.

April 14, 2016 | 07:07 PM - Posted by The_Countess (not verified)

sorry, but there are no verified reports of AMD cards dying from that problem (30% fan speed isn't low enough to cause damage unless you live in the desert, your AC is broken and your case doesn't have any case fans at all),

while nvidia has had 3 different driver that have killed cards, 2 of them very recently. and 1 of those did it by turning the fan off completely,and for far more people then AMD's driver caused problems for even as a percentage.

April 12, 2016 | 02:38 AM - Posted by JohnGR

Remember that there where very few complaining about dead cards and no one had a proof of that? Just people trying to RMA their old Pitcairn/Tahiti based GPUs.

And of course the reason you mention it now, is something that I didn't mention. That there where reports of the same kind for the latest Nvidia drivers.

April 12, 2016 | 09:08 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No proof? Good joke mate.

AMD even admitted to it and there were plenty of reports of dead cards, but I guess that is what happens when AMD turns the fans off on their GPUs.

April 12, 2016 | 10:17 AM - Posted by JohnGR

Keep creating your own universe where you are right. Fans staying low and cards dying is two totally different things.

And because you are pushing it, let's give to the readers something to read

Latest Nvidia Driver (364.72) is apparently bricking cards
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4cu3pw/latest_nvidia_driv...

Is Nvidia replacing cards that were killed by the new drivers?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4acr8a/is_nvidia_replacing_card...

April 12, 2016 | 10:30 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No need to re-create the known universe, where AMD released Crimson Driver that went on to kill their GPUs. Why didn't you mention that in your first post again?

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=amd+crimson+driver+killing+cards

April 12, 2016 | 03:11 PM - Posted by JohnGR

Because the first post was talking about Nvidia drivers and as you can see I didn't mentioned Nvidia killing drivers either. Why I didn't mentioned Nvidia killing drivers in an Nvidia post?
A few morons burning their cards, either Nvidia or AMD, so they can get a brand new card are not something to take seriously. Anyway no more cookies for you pathetic troll.

April 13, 2016 | 08:50 AM - Posted by Spunjji

And the victory goes to JohnGR for not being a dick. +1

April 13, 2016 | 09:18 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

But why mention Nvidia drivers in a post about how AMD is trying to improve their historically deficient drivers?

Always the problem with AMD fanboys and "users", always more concerned about the competition and saving face covering for AMD's problems than worrying about their own products.

April 11, 2016 | 04:29 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

WAY TOO LITTLE AND WAY TOO LATE AMD, YOU FUCKING SUCK.

April 12, 2016 | 09:38 AM - Posted by Batismul (not verified)

Wow m8, you ok?

April 15, 2016 | 01:13 AM - Posted by CriagOKC (not verified)

Have fun playing DX12 games with your current nVidia card. At least you'll have fond memories of its DX11 heyday.

April 11, 2016 | 04:32 PM - Posted by Silver Sparrow

[From my experience]Having used both R9 290/ GTX 980ti on win10 I can't share in your confidence with nvidia's drivers. All this day one stuff shouldn't come at the expense of overall driver stability as nvidia really has dropped the ball with the past few driver releases.

Total War: Warhammer and Dues Ex Mankind Divided releases will show if AMD can keep to their promises. Wait and see.

April 11, 2016 | 09:09 PM - Posted by Ryan Shrout

I agree that this spring will give us plenty of chances to see how well AMD and NVIDIA do with driver updates and performance / quality improvements. Lots of new games.

April 12, 2016 | 03:08 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

This is PCPerspective and if you browse other tech site this site and Ryan is known to be the butt of Nvidia favorist jokes.

Sure Ryan and crew will take a jab at Nvidia once in awhile but if driver issues are reported in GeForce Forums and I'm not talking small issues. Things that get picked up by other tech sites and e-magazines. You definitely wont find Ryan and crew reporting on such things or even mentioning Nvidias own driver release note known issues.

So lets not mention anything bad about Nvidia guys okay. They give us free stuff so lets keep those things coming.

April 12, 2016 | 09:07 AM - Posted by anonymous (not verified)

It's funny AMD fanboys try and make Ryan the butt of jokes but in all circles across the internet, AMD fanboys are the joke. What's even more funny is only Ryan and Allyn who seem interested in exposing AMD's problems so AMD might fix them, for the benefit of their fanboys and those same fanboys who get better results don't even bother to thank them for the reach around!

It is almost like AMD fanboys prefer their products are broken.

Examples:

CrossFire Runtframes.

FreeSync ghosting and hitching.

April 12, 2016 | 09:40 AM - Posted by Batismul (not verified)

Couldn't agree more with you on that!

April 13, 2016 | 09:31 PM - Posted by Allyn Malventano

Remember that it does go both ways, even if the AMD fanboys put on blinders whenever we talk about issues with NV:

G-Sync installation kit 30 Hz bug

G-Sync flickering on the ROG Swift

April 15, 2016 | 10:23 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

You're clearly lying, none of that actually happened and you didn't help get those issues fixed for the benefit of Nvidia users.

Thanks again, btw :)

April 13, 2016 | 09:28 PM - Posted by Allyn Malventano

As a general rule, we don't publish on something until after we have re-created it in-house and then at a minimum informed the company. More often than not we will spend additional time trying to work towards a solution prior to publishing. This applies to pretty much everything we test, not just GPUs. This means that if we catch wind of something we tend to not be like the other sites that are quick to blast anyone at random on the first sniff of something wrong.

Also, all of this 'free stuff' you speak of just sits in our sample inventory for retests / re-creation of reported issues. We don't just sit here playing games all day, so any benefit of said 'free stuff' is pretty much moot for a real review site doing actual reviews.

April 15, 2016 | 01:23 AM - Posted by CriagOKC (not verified)

You're acting like the free stuff isn't valuable, but having it literally puts food on your table. You would be spending thousands if you had to pay for that stuff out of pocket. I'm not calling you out, I just wish reviewers would stop acting like receiving free review samples means nothing to them.

April 15, 2016 | 03:02 AM - Posted by CriagOKC (not verified)

Someone on another site brought up a valid point about this article, the timing of it is quite strange, and it was likely written as a suck-up piece with hopes of procuring a Polaris review sample from AMD. A pretty futile attempt if you ask me, considering you've been recommending FOR YEARS that people don't buy their cards, I don't think AMD would be stupid enough to send you anything. My 2 cents.

April 15, 2016 | 12:43 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

Or maybe AMD had just recently published something that we thought needed investigation and generated quite a bit of talk between us all?

Naw, you'd probably know better than I.

April 15, 2016 | 10:25 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

And you're acting as if any company isn't giving out free samples to reviewers if they actually want their stuff to get reviewed? The guy he is responding to makes it sound as if only Nvidia is giving out samples and PCPer is somehow trying to protect that relationship, when in reality, that same relationship exists across the board.

April 11, 2016 | 09:35 PM - Posted by BrightCandle (not verified)

Its not obvious what happened to change Nvidia's driver releases but I could bet it was W10 and DX12 and VR all coming out in a relatively short space of time. The drivers are very beta at the moment but its not just the last 3 releases.

I have had on and off problems with Shadowplay for 6 months. Recording gameplay every week only half of the videos are actually usable. The issues with the driver quality isn't new its been slowly getting worse for a year and its now hit the point where a lot more people are noticing. Something dramatic changed at Nvidia and its not for the better.

April 12, 2016 | 04:02 AM - Posted by Silver Sparrow

I wonder if its windows 10 tbh as I had no problems at all with the 980ti on win7 (pro 64bit). Do you use windows 10 or something else?

April 11, 2016 | 05:18 PM - Posted by zMeul (not verified)

my Radeon powered laptop is still searching for those quality improvements you spoke of
the new Crimson interface has literally zero usability as the advanced settings are still managed through the old CCC

April 15, 2016 | 01:25 AM - Posted by CriagOKC (not verified)

Use DDU in safe mode and completely wipe CCC off of your computer.

April 11, 2016 | 09:51 PM - Posted by Murica702

PC Master Race

April 11, 2016 | 10:08 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

DIRTY CONSOLE PEASANTS!

April 11, 2016 | 11:16 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I don't know how anyone pretends that NVIDIA drivers are any better than AMD for the last few years. They're both awful. It may have been true from 2003-2007 when ATI had a particularly awful stretch, but since then, they've both been pretty equal in terribleness.

Also it's rather pathetic to blame AMD/ATI for not having "game-ready" drivers. The devs of the games are 100% to blame.

April 12, 2016 | 12:21 AM - Posted by Desert_Nocturne (not verified)

I'm considering purchasing an AMD card after using Nvidia for 10 years or so. A huge reason for me is the affordability of FreeSync™ relative to Nvidia's G-SYNC™. In addition, the upcoming new architectures look like they might be really compelling. Remember, a robust and competitive market benefits the consumer, and it's shaping up to be an awesome year for video cards!

April 12, 2016 | 12:43 AM - Posted by Krieger (not verified)

I've been plagued with FreeSync problems every since I bought the AUS MG279Q and Fury. Before it was a bad Windows driver overwriting the manually installed driver but now it doesn't work at all. Does anyone else have this combination with working FreeSync?

April 12, 2016 | 02:39 AM - Posted by Astrix_au (not verified)

Make sure you have hardware driver updates turned off in Windows 10 advanced settings. Leaving it on can disable parts of the AMD driver when there are hot fixes from AMD, disabling it will make sure Windows 10 updates that include the hot fix don't break the AMD drivers.

I had a issue that disabled my Freesync when windows 10 first came out and AMD had a hot fix that Windows 10 tried to install. Matt from AMD recommended I turn off the hardware driver updates in Winsdows 10 and I haven't had Windows 10 breaking the driver again. It tries to install the hot fix but it fails.

Make sure you check the setting after main Windows 10 updates as it has at least for me reset the hardware driver update back to the [yes] setting, just check it's still set to [no].

April 12, 2016 | 05:40 AM - Posted by Krieger (not verified)

I had made the change you suggested however it does not fix the issue. Freesync is working in the AMD demo, Witcher 3 and Far Cry Primal however it's not in WoW, TF2, and AoC.

April 12, 2016 | 09:51 AM - Posted by jessterman21 (not verified)

Thank you Scott Wasson!

April 12, 2016 | 11:17 AM - Posted by Ryan Shrout

I love Scott, and I think he'll do great things for AMD, but since he just started there in the last 30-60 days, I don't know if we can give him the credit for Omega/Crimson just yet.

Let's see what he does with the NEXT major software release. ;)

April 12, 2016 | 11:04 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I've had absolutely no issues with AMD's Windows drivers for the 4 years that I've been running a 7950. Their Linux drivers, on the other hand, are a mess. I wish they would focus on improving those instead.

April 12, 2016 | 07:13 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Amusing how, as of this writing, there are 44 comments on this article about AMD drivers, at least half of them Nvidia fanboys bashing AMD - while just one article down, about Nvidia drivers, there are only 2 comments, neither of them bashing Nvidia.

Therein lies the difference between Nvidia fanboys and AMD fanboys. Nvidia fanboys compulsively flock to every article there is about AMD in order to spam the comments with their hatred for AMD.

Now I shall wait patiently to see just how many soldiers in the Official Nvidia Defense Force come to throw petty, childish insults at me for pointing this out, somehow believing that it proves that Nvidia fanboys are more mature.

April 12, 2016 | 11:04 PM - Posted by Ryan Shrout

As someone that sees and writes a lot about these topics, the NVIDIA fans are not usually more overt than the AMD fans. :D

April 13, 2016 | 12:52 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that, Ryan. I've never seen an AMD fan tell an Nvidia fan that they should go kill themselves because they dared to admit to owning something made by Nvidia. I see Nvidia fans do that daily, though.

April 14, 2016 | 01:04 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

Oh, they do.  Believe you me, they do unfortunately.

April 15, 2016 | 04:01 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Do we need more proof? You're jaded to the point where you're conjuring distinctions between the overtness of fanboys. Distinctions that statistics and mathematical probability dictate their very non existence.

That is unless someone bends the stats to conform to their own notions. Like the reader you replied to did, and even yourself.

April 13, 2016 | 05:13 AM - Posted by Irishgamer01

OK. The Division, out a while, still has issues on my 290X's.
The game has been out a few weeks now with quite a few
driver patches.
(Strangely OK on my Fury X)
A delight on my 980's. (Got the division free).

So, personally, I need proof of AMD driver improvements. Which I have not seen.

PS. As a side note, I would be the first to slate UBISOFT games, but the division and its online dark zone is quite a lot of fun.

April 14, 2016 | 04:25 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

When an "objective" "journalist" tells you clearly that all his "recommendations" are based on fanboyism.

Made may day.

April 14, 2016 | 01:04 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

"Interesting".

April 15, 2016 | 03:55 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I entirely agree here. It's almost insulting that Ryan is telling us , his readers, that he based his GTX 970, 980 and 980 Ti recommendations not on data, the majority of which he admits is in AMD's favor, but on a preconceived notion. A belief that he holds. One that goes against the very data that he presents.

This is the very basis of bias in scientific research. To come to conclusions based one's emotion and unsubstantiated "beliefs" influenced by ones own bias.

And then Alan comes in, one of the least objective writers on staff. A person that hasn't even personally used an AMD graphics card in a decade. A person that, very much like Ryan I suspect, based his buying decisions on emotion rather than data when he bought the GTX 260 over the competing Radeon 4870 and the GTX 680 over the competing Radeon 7970/7970 Ghz. Both of which were widely considered to be two of Nvidia's least compelling products in the lineup compared to their direct competition.

If you won't even base your buying decisions on your own data, you have no right to jump on your readers when they call out your insultingly evident bias.

April 15, 2016 | 12:35 AM - Posted by Anthony Hamilton (not verified)

you recomend gtx 970,980,and 980 TI because nvidia sponsors you guys jan-dec. thats funny becuase AMD kicks nvidias ass in every DX12 test. they created the precursor to DX12 (mantle) tryed to revolutionize 3d VR Audio is TrueAudio, and saw the power of Async shaders when no one else did. They were the first to develop HBM, all the while not having close to the money Nvidia has. How about a little love for Amd, their not the ones who brought down 3dfx.

April 15, 2016 | 01:37 AM - Posted by CriagOKC (not verified)

You went from calling this an NVidia shill site to bringing up the death of 3dfx. I guess your passion for graphics cards is admirable?

April 15, 2016 | 11:06 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Read it all and I still can't figure if this is an article about AMD drivers or NVIDIA cards.

April 15, 2016 | 05:37 PM - Posted by Lance Ripplinger (not verified)

What is with all the keyboard warriors on here. Holy crap, the amount of misinformation in the comments here is mind-blowing. Also, I appreciate this article. I vote with my wallet. Who cares if it is AMD or Nvidia. I am very glad to see AMD going down a new path, and starting to make an effort to turn things around. Now, I am curious, with graphics card drivers. I haven't yet installed the lastest Nvidia driver, but does it even really affect the performance of my GTX 660Ti from 2012? I assume that at some point Nvidia quit trying to get any more driver optimizations out of their products back to a certain point???

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