The new netbook?

Subject: General Tech, Mobile | July 24, 2014 - 02:32 PM |
Tagged: Intel, microsoft, netbook, Bay Trail

According to DigiTimes we may see a resurgence of netbooks, this time powered by Bay Trail which will make them far more usable than the original generation.  There are three postulated tiers, the $200-250 range of 10.1-15.6" models and $250-400 or $400-600 in 11.6-17.3" which will make them larger in size than the original generation which failed to attract many consumers.  They are currently scheduled to ship with Bay Trail-M with future models likely to have Braswell inside in a mix of transformer style 2 in 1's with touchscreens and more traditional laptop designs.  You can expect to see a maximum thickness of 25mm and a mix of HDD and SSD storage on these and we can only hope that the estimated pricing is more accurate than the pricing on Ultrabooks turned out to be.

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"For the US$199-249 notebooks, Intel and Microsoft's specification preferences are 10.1- to 15.6-inch clamshell non-touchscreen models using Intel's Bay Trail-M series processors or upcoming Braswell-based processors, which are set to release in the second quarter of 2015."

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July 24, 2014 | 03:54 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Another WINTEL dog and pony show, where both M$, and Intel, yet again, try to get suckers to pony up too much cash, for too little performance. How's that contra revenue working out so far, in mobile! Laptops full laptops can be had for these prices, on sale, it's not that performance has improved that much for Intel's laptop SKUs lately, and the discount stores are full of last year's core i based laptop SKUs, at bargain pricing.

July 24, 2014 | 06:59 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

we get it, you dislike intel. No need to post to every story touting their demise, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

July 24, 2014 | 09:05 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No expectation of Intel's demise, and who does not dislike a monopoly! Intel's high margins and OEM domination will, however come to an end, and Intel will be returned back to the proper role as just another supplier. It is the OEM's job to lead the design process of their PC/laptop/mobile devices, and not the job of a CPU parts supplier, the same goes for the device's OS supplier! The Mobile market is, and will continue to be, lead by the OEMs and not the OEM's CPU or OS PARTS suppliers. The high performance CPU/SOC market will also come under the laws of true competition, lead by the Licensed IP business model, and ARM, and Power8, as well as other IP/ISAs are/will be part of the licensed IP market. The Licensed IP market will allow entire industries to control the supply of CPU/SOC parts, and no one company will control the supply of these CPU/SOC parts, ever again! Sure Intel will be around, but Intel will not be able to stop the complete commodification of the CPU/SOC parts market, and Intel will never have an unhealthy influence on any CPU/SOC market. It's so long for the high margin Monolithic companies, and hello to the Licensed IP world for OEMs, and no OEM will ever allow themselves to become de facto divisions again, of the CPU/SOC supply chain Monopoles, who have robbed the OEMs of the funds and ability to innovate for much too long!
Fair Competition, the two words that scare Intel the most!

July 26, 2014 | 04:36 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

what monopoly? you keep saying Power8 is going to win out so clearly there is room for competition

July 26, 2014 | 04:36 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

what monopoly? you keep saying Power8 is going to win out so clearly there is room for competition

July 25, 2014 | 05:32 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I loved my netbook until I dropped it. The Dual Core Atom 1.6Ghz overclocked nicely to 2.2Ghz, 2Gb DDR3, and GMA 3150 allowed some low res gaming as well. I only wish it was a little thinner. My next laptop is going to be a small size one, 13"-15" i5 or i7, and nVidia graphics.

July 25, 2014 | 09:23 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I sure that there will be Nvidia netbooks running custom Denver core SOCs with Nvidia graphics, that will game much better than any ATOM based system at a comparable price point! If you want to remain with Intel, last year's model core i series laptops can be had a netbook pricing, and year on year, has Intel's mobile/laptop SKUs offered enough performance enhancements to justify the high pricing! Last years Intel core i series, on sale, offers a more competitive value than Intel's overpriced "new" products. The big box retailers(non Best Buy) offer many bargain priced new laptops, so why let the "new" overpriced ATOM ducks fool you, just because Intel has renamed them swans.

July 25, 2014 | 10:20 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

yeah those NVidia SOCS... real powerhouses. intel is just trying to screw you somehow

July 25, 2014 | 11:09 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No Intel is just not selling new chips at commodity prices, YET, but those last year's core i products are a great value, although they don't do as much for Intel's current financials. Intel needs to get those margins razor thin on the core i3 series laptop SKUs, they need to make a 4 core i3 part with no hyperthreading, at a low ATOM price point, and keep whatever that Intel is calling/constantly rebranding, for the tablet market, not than Intel has much of the Tablet market, or can ever expect to have much of the tablet market!

Intel needs to get its "best" graphics on all of its low end laptop SKU PARTS, or Nvidia, and AMD will begin to make more inroads into the Netbook/low end laptop market. Intel's best graphics will always equate to Nvidia's, AMD's, and others low end graphics offerings, and the Imagination PowerVR series is setting new standards for hardware ray tracing, on mobile products. The commodification of Intel's entire line of products is just now beginning, and what better way to speed the process along than to buy Intel's last year's perfectly good line of CPU based products, at low bargain prices! Intel should be rewarded for milking its technology for so long, without any significant improvements to the CPUs, or the graphics, and buying last years Intel products, at sale pricing, actually offers the buyer more value, and processing power/dollar! The Market demands that Intel lower it pricing, a market which Intel can no longer force its will upon with impunity. It's twilight time for the Monoliths of computing, say hello to the micro-margin world of fair competition!

July 25, 2014 | 01:21 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

i using Atom N2800 from older era Intel Atom, yes it is slow but very low batery consumption
for me who browse internet and read e-book is rather nice
i didn't need to near any power outlet

July 25, 2014 | 01:26 PM - Posted by Jesse (not verified)

I for one am excited to finally replace my EeePC.

Haven't been able to justify dropping in a small SSD because of the price, and it just chokes doing anything at all... The only thing I use it for anymore is Adblock'd Crunchyroll streaming in bed.

July 25, 2014 | 02:18 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Why blow the cash, if you're streaming crunchyroll, why not get a core i3 laptop on sale, they are real cheep, even cheaper if you get a sandybridge, but even the ivybridge models can be had for the price of this netbook, and you get a core i3, and this causes Intel's poor future/current financials/sales to force Intel out of technology milking mode into technology innovation/improvement mode.

Currently, AMD may not be able to compete in x86 enough, to get Intel's prices down, and Intel's innovation up, but nothing competes against Intel's lackluster "NEW" Netbooks better than Intel's last years core i series laptops, at a great savings. AMD will eventually get their x86 CPU ducks in order, but AMD will also be producing custom ARMv8 APUs that will give Apple and Nvidia some competition, and AMD is reworking their x86 microarchitecture! AMD graphics already is better than Intel's overpriced mediocre graphics. Intel is not giving enough new or extra value, or performance, over their past generation laptop SKUs, so why not get year old Intel(New and on SALE), and show your displeasure at Intel's overpriced new products, and lack of innovation. If you are mostly streaming, then Nvidia's K1 tablet may be all that you need, if it comes with any ad blocking, it will sure be able to handle the streaming, but the best deals come with the year old Intel i3 models, and the boxes may have a little more dust on them, but the laptops are new, with last year's (better than ATOM/whatever Intel rebrands ATOM as), core i3 SKUs.

If you are going to by Intel, then last years models are the way to go. And Know that in a few years that all CPU/SOCs will be sold at commodity prices, good low commodity pricing, brought to the consumer, buy real fair competition. And x86 is not the only game in town!

July 25, 2014 | 09:22 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

your mom is sold at commodity prices

July 25, 2014 | 10:51 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No Long since dead, not sold at commodity prices, just as Intel's high margin pricing is going to be dead! Oh death for the living some day, and commodity pricing for those high end CPUs and SOCs, it's inevitable, no amount of Intel marketing will stop that low everyday pricing, and those investors will have to search for a new and shiny technology outside the realm of the PC/Mobile market. The x86 ISA and IP, is no longer the darling of the industry, how's that contra revenue working out for your mobile market share, Intel! The OEM's have a single finger salute for you! Apple is planning, Samsung is planning, AMD, and Nvidia are planning, some with low cost x86(not Many), and others with the new ISAs that are becoming licensable like ARM Holdings' ISA is, some POWERful Server Chip ISA, and Reference designs, using Nvidia's GPUs as accelerators, and taking a slice out of Xeon's PI, there are even ARM variants with loads of cores there too, getting some of Xeon's PI. Hopefully AMD will also get some POWERful new ISA products going too, to go along with the ARM, and low cost x86, offerings. It's going to be priced like pork bellies for the entire SOC/CPU market, Pork Bellies, Ahaaaaaa[Drool]. I hear Intel is using that empty fab building to train new cleanroom suit dancers, it's not going to work, computing has been liberated from the x86 ISA's dominance, mobile runs on ARM, outside of Intel's chokehold, and High performance can see the light at the end of tunnel.

July 25, 2014 | 10:24 PM - Posted by collie

Who the fuck is this X86 hater?
1, these magical wonderful OEM's you speak of (with one or 2 exceptions, you know who I'm talking about)are not known for innovation! they are known for attempting to undersell the competitor with basically the same product with a few corners cut or adding a few bells and whistles and calling it the wave of the future. It has always been the hard ware producers from processors, arm included, to motherboards to memory to storage to everything as small as audio and usb controllers that have pushed the limits of consumer technology, and sometimes when they are dissatisfied with progress of new designs they make a push for a new standard with financial backing to move things forward.
2, you have obviously not had time with a bay trail processor because the only thing they have in common with the previous architectures is the name, so its a swan that they renamed a duck. Stupid analogy because ducks are just as beautiful and graceful as any swan, plus they have a 9 inch corkscrew penis (look it up). They are very impressive processors that work very smooth, have incredibly low power consumption, and have more than enough power to handle basic computing, yet unlike previous ATOMs they do it all smoothly and seamlessly. It's a nice innovation as navigating through windows on a Bay Trail system is so silky and quick, yet as soon as you try to do something like re-render a video for burning you instantly realize how low power this processor really is. The amount of battery time you get versus a Ivy Bridge system is mind boggling, especial If you factor in the age of the battery in a used system.
3, and I cant stress this enough, we get it! We love that people come here to voice their opinions, it is what makes this site great. Without all the fanboys and haters and spenders and penny pinchers and noobs and self declared experts and everyone in between we could never have the intelligent conversations we have here, everybody's opinion has merret, every statement right or wrong stirs more thought, and thats a very good thing. However simply bashing everyone who likes this idea/product repeatedly kinda makes you look like a dick.

Some one had to say it

July 25, 2014 | 11:10 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

OMG another Butthurt, goob form upper Duckwater, defending his adopted mother Intel! His real mother paid him no mind, and those cleanroom suit dancers impressed upon his tabula rasa brain, their Pavlovian repetition until he slobbered on cue. I do not hate x86, I hate x86 at any other price, other than commodity priced, but x86 is not the only ISA around, getting useful work done, and those high priced x86 chips will have to compete, and Fairly Now, the licensed IP market forces will see to that, and Power8 eats Xeon for lunch! Just you read up, and Power8 is up for licensing, The Horror! The Horror! Xeon will have to compete, and Intel's ATOM Ducks are just like Daffy, with GPUs that are just as Laffy!

July 28, 2014 | 03:33 AM - Posted by collie

one, i'm a amd fan boy, two, my mother is the sweetest nicest person on the planet, three enjoy being anonymous behind a keyboard because if you had talked like that to me face to face you would be toothless and hoping for the sweet release of death to end the pain

ps, fuck you, and have fun on your power8 system you fucking dick wad

July 28, 2014 | 03:27 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No you are a proud Hayseed, and would be of better use, walking point, in Afghanistan with the other fanboys, P.S. do some good for those invested in amalgamated body bags! You have no ability to comprehend the economics of the marketplace, and any blind allegiance to an artificially created legal framework that has been constructed to indemnify its investors from personal liability in their investments in companies such as AMD, or any corporation. Corporations are there to make a profit for their investors, and the marketplace, and free and fair competition, is there to force corporations to compete, that and the Antitrust laws that have been crafted to enforce fair market tactics on the artificial legal constructs known as corporations.

AMD, or any other corporation, is not that important, AMD's IP, and other assets, and its ability to compete, and produce innovation/profits is! Even if your beloved(irrationally) AMD went under, its IP would not disappear from the market, and AMD could very well profit from a power8 license, just as AMD will profit from ARM, as well as x86. Do not expect your AMD to go under, as there are too many with deep pockets that have a vested interested in seeing that AMD stays solvent, and producing innovation for years to come. Though, x86 is not the only ISA out there, and x86 is only one of the players in a wider marketplace. You like to threaten violence, then your violence needs to be institutionalized with some military service, you are one AMD irrational fanboy! This is not a football contest, this is a technology/profit contest, and the marketplace will produce the commodification that will make the CPUs/SOCs more affordable for all parties. Really stop this mindless worship of a legal entity, and its fiduciary responsibility to its investors, and start appreciating the technology that all these entities create! Oh the previous post, the one that made you so angry, well that and the added remarks, is what most people think of rabid fanboys, fanboys of any GPU, CPU, ISA, or other. It's the best ISA for the job, at the lowest cost, made by companies that are forced to compete in the marketplace, the more ISAs, the more competition, the more commodity pricing that will put the suppliers in their place, and the consumer in the driver's seat.

Power8 is coming, made by other companies, and licensed from the OpenPower foundation, ARM is already there, and ARM controls the mobile market, currently. x86 has a place, but it will never have the market share it once had! Say hello to the brave new licensed IP world, where commodity pricing will rule, for any ISA, and not for those one trick pony single ISA monoliths, them days is gone for good!

July 26, 2014 | 12:49 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

OEM's are not magical, or wonderful, just drained of cash buy a monopolistic Intel, draining all the OEM's development capital, with Intel's overpriced x86 based product, and reducing OEMs to de facto Intel divisions, all under the "watchful" eyes of more than one administration's Justice Department's Antitrust division. Contra revenue, unfair trade practice by a fancy name! OEM's have long memories, unlike your fickle, and feckless self, and supply economic tenants dictate that OEM's should never let themselves become controlled by a single supply source, for such any essential CPU/SOC part, and the ARM based licensed IP business model, is truly a decentralized way of spreading the supply chain across an entire industry of competing suppliers, and has helped OEM's large and small, keep their CPUs/SOCs supply chains coming from multiple sources, and even allowed some OEM's to design their own microarchitectures that can run the ARM/ARMv8 ISA, while allowing others to license ready made reference designs, and have CPUs/SOCs made under the OEM's exact specifications.

IBM understood this supply chain economics when it forced Intel to cross license the x86 ISA, at the beginning of the PC era! It's time to really enforce this supply chain philosophy on the entire CPU/SOC market, and bring back the commodity pricing that true fair competition produces! Really, a supplier of CPU PARTS, forcing its "ultrabook" designs on OEM's like they are Intel's divisions, if that is not the dictionary definition of monopolistic company, then what is! Intel's market history, with regards to antitrust is there, it just takes a little research, to learn why OEMs will never let Intel control the supply chain again, in mobile, or otherwise! OEM's competing with OEM's for the customers business should be what decides what gets made, unfettered by the whims, and greed, of a mere CPU supplier!

July 26, 2014 | 01:34 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

IBM and ARM are all about saving everyone money. They are not at all worked about profit and their bottom line. Intel on the other hand is greedy corporate America just forcing everyone to overpay for their processors... truly the devil's work

July 26, 2014 | 10:47 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No IBM is all about its high margin server business, and keeping its supply costs of CPU parts low, IBM makes its money off of its software/systems/server contracts, and not so much the server hardware. ARM is a design bureau, that makes its money off of licensing, and SOC/CPU hardware/software system integration services. IBM is a company that has been in business since before there was a digital computing market. IBM was the company that started the PC market, and forced Intel to cross license the x86 ISA, so that IBM could get a competitively low price on the CPU parts that went into its IBM PCs. The mistake is in thinking that any corporation is not motivated by profits, and that any corporation will, if they have to much market share, resort to monopolistic tactics, to maintain market share, and must be regulated by antitrust laws, and a fair market. IBM did not force Intel to cross license the x86 out of any altruistic intent, it only knew for decades of experience in business, that you never let a supplier get the upper hand, by being the only source of an essential part, or any part.

No IBM, ARM, and Intel are corporations, and only through real and fair competition, enforced by court action if necessary, do they produce any technological advancement, and commodity pricing for the consumer. IBM's OpenPower foundation, for Its Power/Power8 was started for the express purpose of supply economics, IBM is a convert to the ARM style, licensed IP business model, because IBM now sees that CPU, high end, and low end, are becoming commodity products, and the only economy of scale that can make prices lower, is an industry wide economy of scale, with IBM power/power8 available through licensing(a source of income for IBM), and through industry wide adoption of the power/power8 ISA, and Industry wide funded R&D, a competitively low cost way of supplying IBM with its powre8 parts. A parallel example of this is the auto industry, where all of the car companies, contract their parts manufacturing to third party suppliers, and multiple suppliers are given contracts, for the same part, and are forced to compete for the car manufactures business. IBM was around when the car companies were all monolithic, and made all of the parts for their cars in house, with no industry wide economies of scale. The chip fabrication business is becoming too expensive for any single company to maintain, and still produce a profit, and the sub 14nm node will require a whole industry's R&D channeled into the third part chip fabrication industry. IBM's need for low cost parts, and IBM's need for competitively low cost parts, lead to the PC market in the first place, by forcing Intel to compete, and once Power/Power8, IP/ISA is spread across the markets, and made by many suppliers, to final commodification of the CPU/SOC market will be complete, and everyone will benefit. Intel has become like the cable monopolies, more of a drag on Innovation, and a milkier of technology. Intel, it is proven will slow the advancement of x86, in order to maximize its profits without any real and fair competition, and so will any other monopoly. The licensed IP business model is going to do, what the ineffectual Justice Department's across many an administration has failed to do, and that is democratize the supply chain of CPU/SOC parts across all markets.
ARM Holdings is a special case, as they do not manufacture the parts that they design, it is impossible for ARM to control the market supply of ARM based chips, the ARM IP/ISA is licensable across an entire industry, and ARM makes money on the licensing/royalty fees, it is the ARM licensees that compete for a share of the ARM market, and the more the merrier, as far as ARM is concerned, and this includes companies like Apple, that only license the ARM ISA, and make their one high performance CPU, microarchitectures that are engineered to run the ARMv8 64 bit ISA, ARM holdings gets its licensing/royalties form many tiers of ARM licenses. The corporations are kept in check, buy regulation(not so much considering the greed of the politicians), and competition, and the OEM's are companies too, and now that Intel's strangle hold on the market is fading, via ARM, and soon Power/Power8, and the licensed IP market, normalcy is once again returning to the supply chain.

Note: the consumer does not notice IBM in the Consumer PC market, as IBM exited that market, IBM's high margins come from the enterprise market, but the consumer will benefit from the licensed IP model, with Power/Power8 based products eventually entering the consumer supply chain, as OEM's begin to offer Power8 based home servers, and other products. Intel will be forced to price its server SDKs lower, as the competition really kicks in. With power8 out there Xeons will become much cheaper, and so will the enthusiasts' high end x86 based products, and Power8 may find its way into the high end gaming market before too long a time.

July 26, 2014 | 10:56 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Edit: SDKs, to SKUs,
Edit: one to own,
Edit: third part, to third party.

July 30, 2014 | 11:31 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

"[Ducks] plus they have a 9 inch corkscrew penis". So you have studied these corkscrews in great detail, Hummmmm! I see! You will be forever associated with having a Duck's Johnson fetish! How screwed up is that!

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