Windows 10's latest trick? Perpetually hitting EOL; secretly.

Subject: General Tech | March 9, 2018 - 01:49 PM |
Tagged: windows 10, spring creators update, microsoft

Microsoft demonstrated once again how little it learns from past mistakes.  Those who chose to opt out of updates to reduce the amount of data which Microsoft collects, or to ensure a production machine remains in a known state will soon find themselves running the latest build of Win10.  This will not be a choice, as it bypasses Windows Update and will install even if you have blocked that service; similar to the last three major updates.  Microsoft decided not to officially inform users of this, perhaps in the hopes no one would notice.

It seems that Windows 10 builds will essentially hit EOL every time a new major update is pushed out, and if you manage to successfully block the update, you won't receive any new security patches.  The Inquirer is as unimpressed with this as you are.

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"Users, particularly those who have opted out of data collection, are being told that they must update to Build 1709 (the most recent) in order to continue receiving security patches."

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Source: The Inquirer

March 9, 2018 | 02:52 PM - Posted by Sean (not verified)

I'm in kind of the opposite situation. Of the almost dozen machines that I help manage for myself and my extended family, 2 of them are still running the Anniversary Update. I've done nothing to block updates on those machines; they just haven't gotten a more recent update pushed out to hem yet. I wonder if they will get an update before the Anniversary Update goes EOL in a month. I may have to manually update them as I don't really want the people running without security updates (esp. the less-technically inclined that do risky things without knowing it).

March 9, 2018 | 04:42 PM - Posted by TheHooksFromTheCrooksInRedmondAreBarbed (not verified)

More forcing Redmond style and after 2020 there will be such a lockdown on 10 that you will think that you are an inmate in the big house. You will accept your Windows 10 as a service or you will get the 10S treatment of no win32 and all UWP(Universal Windows Peasantry). It's becuse that S Mode that will be in all Windows 10 editions, hiding deep down in the TIFKAM, will be invoked if you do not pay your monthly bill for that OSAAS. S means serf in the Lords Of Redmond's master plan and you will owe your very soul to the M$ store.

You download 16 gigs and what do you get, more S from M$ and lots more new debt.

March 9, 2018 | 09:25 PM - Posted by odizzido2 (not verified)

not surprising. MS is taking more and more control away from users.

March 9, 2018 | 09:30 PM - Posted by odizzido2 (not verified)

They have learned from their mistakes. The mistake of letting people use their OS how they want instead of how MS wants them to. They now know people will tolerate pretty much anything they do.

March 10, 2018 | 12:59 AM - Posted by collie

3 times now, actualy 4 cuz once on my am1 bedroom machine, so 4 times now an update has killed my windows installation. 4 times. 4 times of the whole "Auto fix" bulshit then sorry we cant fix and number to call for help. Lucily I have several systems running in my home at a time, and this never seems to happen to more than one at a time, so I can always make a new install usb key with the updates and nothing important is on my c: bla bla bla but WHAT THE FUCK, EVERY FUCKING TIME. sheeeeeeeet

March 10, 2018 | 12:36 PM - Posted by odizzido2 (not verified)

ouch. Why are you even using W10 with problems like that?

March 10, 2018 | 05:21 PM - Posted by collie

It's a game rig.

March 10, 2018 | 05:52 PM - Posted by odizzido2 (not verified)

ah. Yeah still on W7 for my gaming rig. I hope to skip 10. I will be trying steamOS next time I upgrade in the hopes that it works well despite the plague of DX only games.

If that doesn't work out I will go back to 7 for the foreseeable future. W10 is a mess and I don't care about DX12.

March 10, 2018 | 08:33 PM - Posted by Dont tell me i can be Anonymous (not verified)

Fuck steam up the ass with a rusty fish hook

March 11, 2018 | 03:06 AM - Posted by odizzido2 (not verified)

I agree. Steam is trash. I will not pay more than around $8 for a game on it. GOG gets the majority of my game money these days.

March 11, 2018 | 10:45 AM - Posted by RavensHaveRidgesAndGameJustFineForTheDollar (not verified)

Well good for GOG but bad for Valve/Steam, and that fat gaming billionaire Lord Gaben is laughing all the way to the bank, as are AMD and Nvidia with those sky high GPU prices due to that mining demand. The retailers are laughing the hardest as the retailers are makeing the most money off of Gaming GPU's, inflated by demand, pricing with the retailers not having to invest in years of high paid engineering costs, fabrication, cost etc.

But it's all the gamers's fault for buying into the whole gaming fad at the high end nonsense, and gamers are the one group on this planet so completely lacking in personal integrity and any sorts of intelligence as a rule.

Wait until 2020 when the makers of your favorite proprietary OS and Graphics API goes all OSAAS(OS As A Service) and those monthly payments are required to enable those advanced overclocking features that will not included in windows 10's S mode. And GOG will be able to make use of that Steam OS distro that Lord Gaben has had to develop so Lord Gaben is not cut out of the action by those other Lords! The Lords of Redmond and your status as a UWP(Universal Windows Peasant) and you will submit to your lords in Redmond because you gamers are such a group candy asses around the command line interface.

Better start hitting the OS books gamers because you only have 2 years to get Up To Speed, and Lord Gaben's knights of the rotund bottom are working Thusly on making that gamer hand-holding a little easier on that fat Valve Gaming Emperor's Linux distro. And it's so all you little gaming gits will not have to pony up an extra 10% on all of your Steam, GOG, or other services' gaming action. And Also so fat Lord Gaben can also still be in business if those Lords of Redmond do not get their way with all you little gaming UWPs!

March 10, 2018 | 03:51 AM - Posted by wataludf (not verified)

Fall update tried to install itself dozens of times on my laptop and keep failing for some weird reason with some "can be all kind of things" error code, now it moved past the windows update process and just shows up as a critical update weither i care or not. At some point i guess i'll just have replace that win10x more BS with some Linux distro ...

March 10, 2018 | 08:31 PM - Posted by Dont tell me i can be Anonymous (not verified)

This is why Microsoft does what they do. Because they know both iOS and linux are horrible horrible crap when all you want to do is switch on your PC and play a game. iOS is good for graphics design linux is good for powering little things that arent PC based and someone with way too much time is writing code for it by hand for free while they're meant to be working. like centerlink employees. They know we have no choice and we wont do shit.

March 12, 2018 | 10:07 PM - Posted by Tim Verry

Heh, yeah it keeps trying to install on my HP laptop but fails with a 'must update BIOS before installing Windows' error but as far as I can tell there isn't a BIOS update available heh.

March 10, 2018 | 05:09 PM - Posted by BobSlydell (not verified)

Microsoft forces incompatible updates to systems whose drivers can't run the latest version. They don't appear to do any serious regression testing for most systems. The updates are automatically pushed over and over in an endless loop, wasting many GB's of data and taking the system down over and over to do another failed update. You can sometimes force an update using Windows 10 on an external USB, breaking many of your drivers in the process.
Why don't they just put a box you can check in Windows that says "Update to security updates only"? Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?
After many years of banging my head against a wall, I made the decision to move away from Windows for good and just bought a Chromebook 2-in-1. It's just not that fun anymore. If I want to tinker with the OS, then I'll do it with Linux, since there always seems to be a solution posted to the web somewhere for every Linux problem. That's not the case with Windows.

March 10, 2018 | 08:28 PM - Posted by Dont tell me i can be Anonymous (not verified)

Apparently I'm the only person on the planet who's bluetooth stack hasn't worked at all since the last update got pushed through. It literally just plain stopped pairing pr connecting with anything the minute it installed the update.

March 12, 2018 | 01:54 PM - Posted by Rocky1234 (not verified)

This sucks for sure. Why is it MS feels they can keep taking more and more control of how you run your computer from the end user. If they want to act this way maybe they should start paying us a rental fee for using our systems as beta tester machines since that is all Windows 10 is at this point in time is a ongoing beta.

I have blocked the latest Windows 10 from installing on my 2 front counter work computers because every time they do updates or a windows feature update something gets messed up on those 2 machines and they are down for a few hours.

I also block the Meltdown patches on my 2 main home rigs because of the performance hit that will be involved form them in games and SSD drives. 1 machine has a i7 2700K@5.1GHz & the other has a i5 Ivy Bridge@ 4.6GHz and being they both are older than Haswell will take a rather large hit on CPU & IO performance (SSD) while gaming or day to day tasks.

The plan was to do upgrades to new systems but in a few months which is why both machines are not allowed to do updates or new feature updates because the next Windows feature update will have the Meltdown & Spectre crap built in with no choice of taking them out like now.

I will be very upset if any of these machines just go ahead and upgrade themselves to the newest Windows without asking me first.

March 12, 2018 | 02:07 PM - Posted by Rocky1234 (not verified)

I wanted to add this. Is it even legal for them to do this? I mean a lot of business systems rely on the OS pretty much staying the same with certain spec's for drivers & files staying the same so those programs that are custom made will keep working or hardware that is added to the systems will keep working and not stop working after a update happens. I use Windows pro at the store and home because Pro used to be deemed more of a business class OS and you had more control over things like updates because of what I mentioned here.

March 12, 2018 | 04:09 PM - Posted by Gunndykol (not verified)

It's been a well publicized rule from Microsoft that with Windows 10 if you can only skip one major release and maintain patching. You MUST upgrade at least every other feature release, otherwise you will not be able to receive security patches or even do an in-place upgrade to the latest version. To upgrade from 3 or more versions back you must do a format and re-install of Windows 10.

Not sure how this is a surprise to anyone at this point.

March 12, 2018 | 07:27 PM - Posted by 7OnLockdownAfter2020InLinuxKernelBasedHypervisorLand (not verified)

I'm still on windows 7 and I'm waiting on that Level1Techs guy to start a series of articles about taking windows 7 and installing it in a Linux Kernel based VM/Type-1-Hypervisor with windows 7 locked down/isolated completely from the outside internet. That way I can still have windows 7 and any Linux distro available when or if I need to do any internet stuff both running at the same time.

Linux right now is OK for most of what I need done but for all the remains that will not run under Wine there can be that locked down windows 7 OS Instance in the linux kernel based VM and any win32 software that refuses to run under Linux/Wine can be run on windows 7 on a VM/isolated even after 2020.

March 13, 2018 | 04:02 AM - Posted by acer customer service (not verified)

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March 13, 2018 | 11:09 AM - Posted by Gunbuster

Wish they would also stop calling the major ones "updates". They do a brand new install of windows 10, that's why you end up with a Windows.old directory.

March 17, 2018 | 09:30 AM - Posted by RealExascale (not verified)

Windows 8.1 still works great.

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