Windows 10 makes it out of the Terrible Twos ... hopefully skipping the Me! stage

Subject: General Tech | July 17, 2018 - 04:26 PM |
Tagged: microsoft, windows 10, anniversary

It seems hard to believe but it is true, but Sunday July 29th marks the third year of Windows 10 being on the market.  The launch was unique, Microsoft decided to offer their new operating system for free to anyone running a valid copy of Windows 7 or 8.x; which you can still take advantage of if you so need.  The launch did not go perfectly and Microsoft's goal of having the device installed on 1 billion devices still has not been reached, though this year saw Win10 finally surpass Win7 in total market share.  The major updates have been somewhat problematic but it is safe to say that Windows 10 has improved somewhat since release; even enterprises are starting to consider adoption.

For more on the checkered past of Microsoft's latest OS, check out the Register.

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"Coming six years after the release of the beloved Windows 7, Windows 10 had a lot to live up to. Once the name got locked down – for a while it was referred to variously as "Windows 9", "Windows Next", "Threshold" and "Oh God, Make The Pain Stop" (at least as far this user was concerned.)"

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Source: The Register

July 17, 2018 | 05:48 PM - Posted by odizzido2 (not verified)

W10 for me is still inferior. The lack of update control alone makes it worse.

July 18, 2018 | 03:56 AM - Posted by Power (not verified)

Which (unfortunately for MS?) makes Windows 10 Mobile the best version of Windows 10.

July 17, 2018 | 07:55 PM - Posted by Windows10IntoTheTrashBin (not verified)

Windows 10 only passed windows 7 due to attrition with all new hardware and even older hardware that's still on the store shelves getting windows 10 forced on them.

At least all the new hardware that is "Requiring" Windows 10 can be loaded with Linux. Much of the Ivy Bridge based line of Business laptop SKUs came with a Windows 8/8.1 Prolicense that was factory "Downgrded" to windows 7 Pro so that's millions of Laptops that still can have 8.1 installed and some third party software to make 8.1 behave like windows 7. So That's an option until 2023 for some to avoid windows 10.

Just look at that graph and windows 10 has trended downward some while windows 7 is not moving at all over the same time frame.

M$ has to give users back the control they had with windows 7 without the candy crush of crapware, adware, and spying. And for those running the 8 core CPUs it's a simple matter of getting a linux kernel based hypervisor/VM and running windows 7 in a locked down OS Instance on the VM and that's what many windows 7 users wll do come 2020 to keep windows 7 around like windows XP.

Better 7 than that eternal BETA Known as windows 10 and all that spying, ads, and forcing. Just look at the eternal game of privacy setting wack-a-mole where with each new 10 update the settings all revert back to spy on everything and more crush of candy and other assorted crapware!

Just go and read the replies at the Register and see how popular windows 10 is across the pond and everywhere.

July 17, 2018 | 11:00 PM - Posted by odizzido2 (not verified)

See that's the problem. MS doesn't need to give back control. Adoption rates show that they can do exactly what they are doing and people will put up with it. I mean I am not but most people will.

July 18, 2018 | 08:56 AM - Posted by NoLongerInChargeCharles (not verified)

M$ does not care about it's desktop customers as that market has matured and is now shrinking but just look at those windows 7 figures and even 8.1 with some third party software(To shut up that TIFKAM Crap) can allow for some users to still avoid the dreaded 10. Sure most of the folks that know little about PCs/laptops are going to be stuck with 10, but most of those folks are already using their Phones/Tablets for the majority of what they need. So M$ is not careing about PC/Laptop customers and Linux will see it's PC/Laptop adoption rates go up in in the 2020-2023 time frame.

M$'s phone ambitions are too late for that market and the majority of tablet devices are running Android with iOS a factor also. M$ is not going to see any increases for 10 except through attrition and there will be folks wiping the drives and installing some Linux Distros and there will be more business for the Linux OS laptop OEMs the closer it gets to 2020-2023 time frame.

The PC/Laptop OS market has entered the customer milking phase and the gates to the walled garden are scheduled to begin closeing tightly in the 2020-2023 time frame. UWP is really not for any productive workloads and M$ risks losing more of its 3 party software exclusivity if Linux begins to attract a larger share of the users that will never accept windows 10. Linux OS on 5% to 10% of the total PC/Laptop devices is going to begin attracting more attention than Linux adoption of only a few percantage points for PCs/Latops. And The Linux Kernel already represents a majority of the world's mobile devices and servers as well.

M$'s is looking at Appple's closed iOS ecosystem and has been lusting after that ecosystem forced onto PC/Laptop users even on devices that M$ does not even make. So the Independent Third Party PC/Laptop market that once gave users full control over their PC and Laptop systems is now in the process of going towards the locked down and useless for productivity end user milking market where everything is a service with monthly billing pay up or lose your computer's ability to serve your needs. And folks thought the cable companies ane bad, just wait until 2020/Later.

July 18, 2018 | 03:18 AM - Posted by SkyFall (not verified)

Well, businesses and enterprises are not considering upgrading to Windows 10, they are forced to!
If you want to deploy at least somewhat new hardware, you need to run Windows 10.
I would not be surprised, if the Linux adoption rate would be skyrocketing since the release of Windows 10.

As an enterprise customer, I think that Windows 10 is particularly inferior to Windows 7 / 8.x in the following two categories:
- Update handling (Distribution, "install-safety")
- User handling (UWA Apps, Bloatware on enterprise)

I'm especially enraged by the bloatware I get as an enterprise customer! (Mind you, this is by default!)

If we didn't use special and even legacy software, I would really push forward using Linux as an enterprise Desktop.

July 18, 2018 | 01:43 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

At my day job, we have just started testing our first Win10 image.  So far not without challenges but better than expected.  

July 18, 2018 | 04:37 PM - Posted by EvenWithoutElopInTheLoop (not verified)

Is it the Enterprise edition where things can be turned off, mostly! But I hear that even there under the Enterprise addition all that forcing can still muck things up.

Maybe it's best to leave that Image connected to the internet for a good few months and see what surprises the folks in Redmond have in store for you when things get forced that should not be able to be forced!

July 18, 2018 | 06:46 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

We're rolling Win10 Pro, but with Enterprise style KMS licensing.  GPO is still working OK, Cortana can be disemvoweled and games can be removed. 

What really annoys me is you cannot Run as different user from Start menu ... you have to Open file location first to do anything ... like run CMD as admin.  This has lead to a lot of shit pinned to my taskbar.

July 19, 2018 | 07:26 AM - Posted by anonymouse (not verified)

Running CMD as Admin is a direct shortcut in the WIN+X menu. WIN+X A, will have an admin-level CMD prompt open in well under a second (if Powershell is there by default like on newer fresh installs, you can swap it for CMD in Settings-Personalisation).

July 20, 2018 | 03:40 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

That would work if I was one of those horrible people who log into their admin account in the morning and use it like a normal user.

I need to shift+right click and "run as a different user" from a non-admin account ... which it won't do. :( 

July 22, 2018 | 11:53 PM - Posted by AnonymousSysadmin (not verified)

>As an enterprise customer, I think that Windows 10 is >particularly inferior to Windows 7 / 8.x in the following >two categories:
> - Update handling (Distribution, "install-safety")
> - User handling (UWA Apps, Bloatware on enterprise)

Update handling is done on the back end via SCCM and group policies.
You can create deployment images with 0 bloatware.

If you believe those are false statements, you have not even basic experience with it. The biggest complaints came from people that knew the least.

July 23, 2018 | 06:21 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

I think they meant that the default install of Win7 did not come with the wide variety of non-business related apps that Win10 does.  I'd agree with you that enterprise should never be deploying anything other than a custom image but I could see SMB sysadmins getting frustrated removing Facebook and the various other apps that come with Win10.

July 24, 2018 | 11:12 PM - Posted by throAU (not verified)

Enterprises are only "considering adoption" because new hardware does not support Windows 7, and old hardware is being replaced.

July 24, 2018 | 11:14 PM - Posted by throAU (not verified)

I say that as an enterprise customer, in this situation. Though we pre-empted it a couple of years ago and started deploying pilot back then. Not because we want Windows 10. But because we saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to be in the situation where we're behind the 8 ball and scrambling to roll out new hardware when hardware support for 7 dropped.

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