Project Scorpio Unveiled as "Xbox One X," Lands November 7th for $499

Subject: General Tech | June 11, 2017 - 04:56 PM |
Tagged: Xbox Scorpio, xbox, microsoft, E3

At its E3 2017 keynote Sunday, Microsoft finally unveiled the official details for its upcoming "Project Scorpio" console, now called "Xbox One X." The console, surprisingly smaller than even the Xbox One S, will launch November 7, 2017 and, as expected, will be priced at $499, the same launch price of the original Xbox One in November 2013.

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With a maximum 6 teraflops of GPU horsepower and a class-leading 326GB/s memory bandwidth, Microsoft is hoping that its significant performance advantage over Sony's $399 PS4 Pro, as well as its ability to play UHD Blu-ray discs, will help justify the $100 price difference for consumers.

  Xbox One X PS4 Pro

CPU

2.3GHz 8-Core 2.16 GHz 8-Core
GPU 6 TFLOPS 4.2 TFLOPS
Memory 12GB GDDR5 8GB GDDR5
Memory Bandwidth 326 GB/s 218 GB/s
UHD Discs Yes No
Storage 1TB HDD 1TB HDD
Price $499 $399

One of the criticisms of the PS4 Pro is that many of the games "optimized" for the system do not utilize 4K assets or run at true 4K resolution. In response, Microsoft clarified repeatedly throughout its keynote that many games designed for Xbox One X will indeed run at 4K/60fps. While Microsoft will likely ensure that its own house-published titles and those from close partners will hit this mark, it remains to be seen how well cross-platform games from third parties will fare.

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As for those who don't have 4K displays, Xbox One X will use supersampling to increase perceived resolution and quality at 1080p. The popular Xbox 360 backwards compatibility feature (which will soon include original Xbox games) will also benefit from the Xbox One X's increased horsepower, with Microsoft promising faster load times and improved anti-aliasing.

As with the PS4 Pro, all games will support both console generations, with many titles going forward "enhanced for Xbox One X." One of Sony's biggest problems is the lack of games that truly take advantage of the PS4 Pro's unique features, so Microsoft's ability to bring third party developers on board will be key to the Xbox One X's success.

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We'll need the console to hit the market to get a more detailed look at its technical specifications, but based on Microsoft's claimed performance numbers, the Xbox One X looks like a relatively good deal from a hardware perspective. The console's 6 TFLOPS of graphics processing power compares to an NVIDIA GTX 1070, which currently retails for just over $400. Add in the 1TB hard drive, custom 8-core CPU, and UHD Blu-ray player, and the price is suddenly not so unreasonable. Of course, newer cards like the AMD Radeon RX 580 also hit around 6 TFLOPS for ~$220, but you won't be able to find one of those these days. At a $100 premium over the PS4 Pro, however, it's unclear how the console community will value the Xbox One X's hardware advantage.

One thing that is clear is that Microsoft's Xbox team wasn't too happy to be the source of mockery based on performance and sales for the past four years, and they're highly motivated to come out swinging this fall.

Preorders for Xbox One X have yet to be announced, but you'll find the Amazon pre-order page here when orders go live.

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June 11, 2017 | 07:04 PM - Posted by StephanS

Also comes with 50% more GDDR5 memory then the GTX 1070, many more IO, including networking, wireless channels for controllers and a very good controller. And a compact case with a great power supply.
etc..

Yea, the $499 xbox one x make the GTX 1070 look overpriced.
Or makes the xbox one x look like its being given away.

June 11, 2017 | 08:24 PM - Posted by Meacha

Wont only 4GB be dedicated with graphics? I do eagerly await the comparative price of a pc for the same performance..

June 11, 2017 | 10:34 PM - Posted by quest4glory

No, it's up to 9GB for games with the remaining 3 reserved by the OS.

June 11, 2017 | 07:07 PM - Posted by Jim Lahey

I just cancelled my amazon order for a solo-UHD blu ray player. I haven't bought a console since the sega saturn, but I think I'll buy this. 4k blu ray built-in, HDR, and probably one or two 2-player on screen platformer games.

I'm still a PC-gamer, but I still want to be able to sit down and enjoy some kind of relaxed game.

June 12, 2017 | 02:08 AM - Posted by Fubar

I can not fathom why you are not able to "sit down and enjoy some kind of relaxed game" on PC. Switch output to TV and grab a controller ?

June 12, 2017 | 08:10 AM - Posted by Jim Lahey

Computer and TV are in different rooms, and I'd like to sit on the couch with my wife.

June 12, 2017 | 11:24 AM - Posted by funandjam

Really lame excuse, just build a second pc and sit it under/next to the TV.

June 12, 2017 | 12:59 PM - Posted by H380

100% this. I cut the cord in 2010. 3 HTPCs and 1 gaming rig. I run a HDHomeRun Connect on my WiFi for OTA TV and KODI for a DVR and Chrome on the HTPCs. Avoid the AppleTV, Roku and other set top boxes because of unblockable ads. Youtube and Twitch are the WORST for locking up set top boxes with bad ads and bad ad insertion. Worth spending the money for a full HTPC just for the ad blocker. You still get the ads with the consoles.

June 12, 2017 | 01:11 PM - Posted by kenjo

That is a bit expensive don't you think.

I have a really long HDMI cable and a long USB cable that goes to a hub so that the wireless signal for the controller/mouse/keyboard works as it was to weak to reach all the way to the computer.

So I ended up with the computer in a different room. really nice for noise reduction as I can't hear the computer at all.

June 12, 2017 | 04:20 PM - Posted by H380

Not expensive at all. Buy a $200 refurb i5 system on Newegg. Or any decent used pc and you have a HTPC. Add in a sub $75 graphics card that does not require power. Then you can play most games at least as well as consoles on 1080p. You can build a VERY nice HTPC for $500. Buy a Win10 pro key on Kinguin for under $30.

June 13, 2017 | 01:28 PM - Posted by Subsailor

You forgot a couple of items:
4k UHD players for the PC cost over $100 and require a 7th generation i5/i7 (way more $).

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-BDR-211UBK-Internal-Supporting-Playback/d...

Oh, you want to stream Netflix at 4k? Can't do it on your $500 system either. It requires Kaby Lake as well.

June 12, 2017 | 08:13 AM - Posted by Peragulator

1TB , 890 gigs you have available ( guessing), 64gigs for Xbone games. 90 gig download for 4k? 8/9 games and you've filled the drive.

June 12, 2017 | 09:04 AM - Posted by remc86007

Then you buy an external and life goes on. Most people with an Xbox one already have one or two anyway. I'd rather MSFT save as much as they can on storage and use that money on the non-upgradeable parts.

June 12, 2017 | 11:30 AM - Posted by Kal

$499 makes the GTX 1070 overpriced?
Great power supply, you know this how?

Allow me to provide PCPer's prior article on ps4/xbox one BOM cost.
http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/IHS-New-Consoles-Not-Nearly-Expen...

1. Let me drop it on you one time. $499 is the consumer purchase price. The manufacturing cost more. Comparing consumer price to a custom built PC price is absurd. Microsoft are certainly eating up some sort of cost here and as the prior listed article points out: "You cannot build an equivalent gaming PC for what I can get a console for." My response has been, "Correct and neither can Sony or Microsoft; they are bleeding to gouge you later. Add up those license fees and PC gaming is often cheaper."

2. GTX 1070 looks overpriced, first of all, GTX 1070 is significantly more powerful than the RX 580 variant in the Xbox One X. Bare in mind as history has always proven, Lower or equal spec Nvidia GPUs always trounce the AMD [On-Paper Spec] equivalent. Remember the Fury X and GTX 980s, 970s? GTX 780s and R9 290X? Exactly.

Before this notion of "Console optimization" is even mentioned, remember one thing - these consoles are X86 off-the-shelf gaming PCs. And because of this we've seen equal and lesser-spec'd graphics cards either break-bread or outperform the consoles. [Again] Nvidia GTX 750Ti ripping PS4/XB1 despite being significantly lower-spec'd than their GPUs. Ergo, console optimization days are gone. Nvidia's GPU efficiency and progress in DX11 is proof of that. Take a 4-5TFLOP Nvidia GPU and there's a high chance it'll go toe-to-toe with the XBX, if not exceed it.

Bare in mind the XBX is still being strangled by that ancient pussy cat of a CPU component atop the APU: JAGUAR. That thing is roughly equivalent to an older Intel i3 despite core count differences. CPU cycles equate to frame rate. Compute isn't going to help that much. That cat is on its last life.

Expect 4K/60fps [High-Ultra] settings on lesser demanding games and racing games. Metro, Tomb Raider, Witcher, don't even think about 4K/60fps Ultra. More like 4K/30fps High, which is still good.

That 12GB GDDR5 RAM cannot and will not be used just for games, Doesn't work that way. Expect 8GB at the maximum before the GPU runs out of horsepower to find it useful for anything else.

This box looks appealing for today's games. When AMD drop Vega GPUs and Nvidia finally get their ass into gear with DX12 and drop their GPUs, that XBX isn't going to look all to pretty. It'll be good value if you choose to be ignorant over higher priced games, online fees and so fourth.

Biggest problem with this box and what Microsoft have failed to learn is that power doesn't equal a win for consumers. PS4 has games lined up, Xbox showed a Porsche tech demo along with third-party games which are available elsewhere. General consumer doesn't care nor understands the difference between PS4'S 4K upscale and XBX's 4K native. They understand which is cheaper and which is more popular. Third-party games were the highlight of the Xbox One X unveiling. Which means they offer nothing for PC gamers nor PS4 players.

The only thing that Xbox brings to a PC gamers is the reassurance of xbox exclusives being either available or being free on Windows 10.

FYI Until I see an 80 Plus rating on that PSU, I don't see anything "Great".

June 15, 2017 | 12:35 AM - Posted by Nizar El Zarif

in some AMD optimized games such as Hitman or DOOM on vulcan the RX 580 is equivalent to GTX 1070. Beside that, most console games are not only optimized on code level to run on the hardware. The level design is also optimized to make sure that the games run smoothly in most cases. and the settings applied are tweaked to make the best looking picture at the desired resolution.

Don't forget that The Xbox one x GPU also have higher bandwidth than the gtx 1070 and rx 480, this would help at 4k resolutions.
but I think you are correct about most games would be hitting 30 FPS at 4k at high details and probably ultra textures for games like the Witcher 3 and Rise of the Tomb raider. which what I think most people want on a 4k TV. but i think games like call of duty and battlefield or battlefront will likely run on 4k 60 FPS, maybe while using some sort of resolution scaling

June 15, 2017 | 04:20 AM - Posted by Kal

"in some AMD optimized games such as Hitman or DOOM on vulcan the RX 580 is equivalent to GTX 1070. Beside that, most console games are not only optimized on code level to run on the hardware."

This is clearly a case of select few games taking advantage of DX12 on AMD hardware, but what happens once nvidia gets to grips with DX12? It's going to give AMD a serious amount of heat because let's face it, nvidia driver support is extremely well developed. Just look at AMD and nvidia on DX11. Nvidia's developments in both gpu architecture and DX11 driver efficiency has damn near killed the case for "Close to the metal console-optimizations" being ahead of equally specced PCs.

Like I said previously, while you cannot compare AMD and Nvidia gpu architectures, nvidia's under-specced GPU such as the gtx 750ti has frankly obliterated this idea of consoles delivering more performance than equal PC counterparts. Which leads me to believe along with the fact that all consoles are built from off-the-shelf AMD hardware, that the Xbox One X isn't going to deliver any additional performance gains over a regular RX 580.

"Don't forget that The Xbox one x GPU also have higher bandwidth than the gtx 1070 and rx 480, this would help at 4k resolutions."

Comparing it to a GTX 1070 is nonsense. Nvidia has shown time and time again that despite having lower specs [on-paper] that they're GPUs always rip the AMD price equivalent. If we do talk specs here and place the 1920 cuda cores and the 256 GB/s memory bandwidth of the GTX 1070 against the RX 580 with its 2304 core count and equal memory bandwidth, the RX 580 looks silly. AMD cards always spec higher yet under perform. [Look at the gtx 970, 980, 980Ti ripping the Fury, Fury X, Nano] The same will hold true for consoles including the Xbox One X - even worse that it's being fed by a measly Jaguar. PUT THAT KITTY TO SLEEP.

Nvidia gpus will lesser memory bandwidth always make up for it with actual efficiency.

AMD logic: Throw more cores at it, Moore's Law will take care of the rest.
Nvidia logic: Gain more from less, increase the efficiency, so when we do release a high-spec monster, the development is justified.

Truth be told, I don't think 4K is off the highest-importance. Yes, it's needed as it's the nature of this technology moving forward to deliver better looking and playing games. But rendering quality will always be of much more importance than resolution. - Alan Wake ran at 960x540 on the Xbox 360, Quantum Break 720p, Ryse: Son of Rome 900p. I dare anyone to find a game of higher resolution that released the same time as anyone of these games which looked better because of a higher resolution. Trick question - there isn't any. Image quality over resolution. Heck, does a VHS movie look less "real" because a Blu-Ray is superior in resolution? No. Picture's clearer.

Another example: Everything on the ps4 shown at e3 whether that's the 1.84TFLOP PS4 or the 4.2TFLOP PS4 PRO, everything they showed trumped the games shown on XBOX - only Forza being exclusive to the box with everything else 3rd-party.
Why? Rendering quality over resolution. God of War, days gone, UC4, Spiderman. (existing games: horizon zero dawn, the last of us, the order 1886) Xbox has nothing to show the 6tflops of power they're happy about.

Bottom line: expect 30fps for 90% of the XBOX games, with dynamic resolution in place (already confirmed for most of the games shown at e3) with a few simpler titles such as forza hitting native 4k 60fps. Along with most games being high settings as opposed to ultra.

Which means PC gamers have no reason to buy it and PS4 gamers like consoles with GAMES.

June 13, 2017 | 10:10 PM - Posted by Godrilla

Lies the 1070 sells for $366 on Amazon for non reference design that can be overoclocled to 7 to 8 teraflops over the weekend but now it went up to regular price wait till next weekend for similar discounts.

Here is another one by this one is vanilla after Mir $368
Here is a great deal on the ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 TURBO-GTX1070-8G 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card , http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-126-112
I found.

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