Podcast #341 - NVIDIA GTX TITAN X, News from GTC2015, Mini-ITX X99 and more!

Subject: General Tech | March 19, 2015 - 06:12 PM |
Tagged: Xeon D, X99, windows 10, video, usb 3.1, titan x, podcast, nvidia, msi, Intel, HSA 1.0, gtx titan x, gtc 2015, digits devbox, DIGITS, asrock

PC Perspective Podcast #341 - 03/19/2015

Join us this week as we the NVIDIA GTX TITAN X, News from GTC2015, Mini-ITX X99 motherboard and more!

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March 21, 2015 | 01:36 AM - Posted by pdjblum

Josh you get all sorts of adoration, so don't let this bother you: Jeremy rocked as host a few weeks ago, but he also had a different cast. Anyway couldn't get through this one.

March 21, 2015 | 02:00 AM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

Alright, here's a deal: I'll watch this podcast now, and I'll monitor it carefully. If I'll hear, even just once, that 'Titanic X is actually any good", I'll thumb down the flying ass of the video right away. Sorry, but just I don't tolerate well ignorant arrogance, delusional denial and sheer fanboyish idiocy well, even if you've been paid to say/do it.
Let's see now...

March 21, 2015 | 09:03 AM - Posted by collie

Wondering, what is actually BAD about the titan? I get that it's super expensive and has too much ram for gaming and what not, all reasons to get something else, but does it actually fail at anything? Does it have problems I haven't heard about?

Not being sarcastic, or rude or or dickish or anything, I seriously wana know if there is something that all the revieers are over-looking or lying about or something? I dont understand what you are angry about.

March 21, 2015 | 03:52 PM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

1. This piece of trash not good for work (0.2TF DP - useless piece of crap).
2. This piece of garbage not good for gaming (http://www.imagebam.com/image/4dccee397912995, that's a standard gaming loop, as you can see. Not even overclocked).
3. It's not good for ANYTHING. Absolutely useless piece of overpriced milking POS for brainwashed marketing victim noVideots in delusional denial. Even if you're a very hardcore pro-"Nvidia anything" adept you'll be a complete and utter idiot to buy this "essentially dead-on-arrival" garbage.
4GB R9 390X already beat it and it's coming in just two months from now, it'll cost quite less while it already performs better even without new/optimized drivers or OverClocking. Titanic X is a literal DEAD. There is literally no sane reason to even think of buying this trash, not even mentioning actually spending your hard-earned money on it. It's so bad of a product that even if you get it as a present or a prize somewhere, completely for free, you'll be stuck with a piece of absolutely useless paperweight, a literal brick. This TItanic X crap is just THAT bad, all way through.

March 21, 2015 | 05:46 PM - Posted by onion uk (not verified)

lol, that rage...

March 21, 2015 | 06:09 PM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

There's no rage there so far, kiddo. Just facts and constructive arguments against buying this garbage.

March 21, 2015 | 11:50 PM - Posted by Martin Trautvetter

Then don't buy it. It's not like you're being forced to.

It's not for me, either, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of takers. And isn't it great that they get to buy something they want?

March 22, 2015 | 01:19 AM - Posted by pdjblum

So you think demand is inelastic? To me, if they made the thing affordable to the less well healed, by reducing the price significantly, they would increase their revenues more than enough to make up for decreased margins. But I am of the school that real flagships, not a pseudo flagship such as the 980, should cost in the $350 range. It isn't as if they have even a tenth of the life a fine piece of stereo equipment as far as staying great is concerned. Their whole paradigm might be great for margins, but having to get the last nickle from people you are doing business with is anathema to me. For those that can afford it truly, great for them. For those that can't, but think it is okay to spend beyond their means, well they are unfortunately indoctrinated into the belief that spending on credit is the American way.

March 22, 2015 | 03:35 PM - Posted by onion uk (not verified)

he works for amd & is spreading that rage across da webs... lol

March 22, 2015 | 10:26 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I have worked at tech companies before where some of the sales guys admitted to getting on forums and stirring up FUD in their spare time, so there could be AMD employees and Nvidia employees around but most are just fan boys. This card is exactly like Intel's $1000 extreme edition parts. The only people who will buy them are those who really do not care about the price.

March 22, 2015 | 01:21 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

It is generally hard to come up with logical arguments for buying anything at this extreme end of the performance curve (note: curve, not line). Same things goes for Intel extreme edition cpus. I wouldn't pay over $1000 for an i7-5960X at 3 GHz when I can get a i7-4790 for a little over $300. Is an i7-5960X garbage?

I would argue that these parts will actually make very little money. They are exceptionally low volume. The yield for parts that are fully functional at over 600 mm2 is going to be exceptionally low. This makes for good marketing though. A lot of articles are written about it, and a lot of fan boys argue over it. Very few people will actually buy one. Is anyone planning on getting one?

Most of the production of these parts will be stockpiled and salvaged; some components will be defective and deactivated. These will be sold later as a much higher volume 980 ti, or whatever they call it. Although the 980 ti will still very low volume compared to mid-range parts. It will be interesting if they sell parts with a cut down memory bus though, after the 970 incident.

Intel does the same thing with Xeons. They only make 2 or 3 different dies which fill their whole product line-up via salvaged parts. The fully functional die can sell for over $2000 (Intel Xeon E5-2697 v3; $2,769.99 2.6 GHz, 14-core, 35 MB L3 from newegg). The extreme edition parts are just salvaged Xeons with cores and/or cache disabled.

This Titan is actually a little different from Intel's extreme editions being cut down Xeons. Previous Titans were, I believe, the same chip used in Tesla compute cards, so they had high FP64 performance. This new Titan is a full version of a consumer level chip, so little FP64 capability is included.

Also, in addition to being binned for basic functionality, parts are binned for clock speed and power consumption. Nvidia released the Titan Z with dual gpus, but to stay in the power requirements, these chips had to be the extreme top bins. AMD didn't do this. They just used two relatively average gpus which made their part a lot cheaper, but it uses 500 W. Nothing wrong with that, as long as customers know what they are getting. At the price, these things were still mostly for marketing purposes, even for AMD. They originally launched at $1500, which sounded nice compared to $3000 for a Titan Z, but this was/is still to expensive to be anything more than a curiosity for most people.

Does anyone read a post this long?

March 22, 2015 | 04:20 PM - Posted by pdjblum

Happened to glance at last line, but generally try not to read any posts by Anon, unless the screen name is "Anon" and not "Anonymous," or "Anonymous" is really a hippopotamus.

March 22, 2015 | 10:20 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I think anonymous posting is a good thing. People then look stupid when they attempt a personal attack on "anonymous". How much meaning can you attach to a name someone uses on an Internet forum? Not much more than anonymous if any. If you don't want to read post by anonymous posters, then that is your loss.

March 22, 2015 | 11:26 AM - Posted by collie

Ok, So first it IS usefull for compute work loads, but not high compute, it's a great part for high speed levels of simple calculations, a growing demand for more and more groups, or so I've heard I have no actual time on or personal testing.

As far as gaming, it runs hot sure, but it works no? Higher Frame-Rates than a 980? Stable performance, no "magical graphic weirdness"?

I'm not gonna buy one, and I cant think of anyone I know who I could recommend one too, but as far as I know it's one of the fastest simple calculation processing devices available at it's price, a growing segment of the computing world, how is that a bad thing?

And if I'm way off, if I've been miss-informed or miss-understood what I was told please correct me, I want to learn.

March 23, 2015 | 12:16 AM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

Please stop producing so much sheer autism. 0.2TF of DP is not good for anything. Even some of the cheapest FirePros out there beat this piece of dead-on-arrival garbage.
Keep living in your little pink world of delusional noVideotic denials, I guess. Nobody would take that away from you, kiddo.

March 23, 2015 | 07:52 AM - Posted by collie

Ok, I'll bite.

#1) using "autism" as a negative, dick move, DO NOT do that.

You clearly think this is a bad product. I can feel ya, there is nothing wrong with that. I just dont understand why you would throw out the rest of the show, or in fact feel so strongly about a product that isn't perfect but is cant just be called "Bad" because it isn't "Best"

7 TF/s SP with 12gb ram is a AMAZING THING for any project requiring massive indexing or classification, the Cambridge 100,000 genome project comes to mind. For those who need higher DP there are other options better suited to your needs.

The 390x leaks are still just leaks, in fact at this point we might find that it IS the fastest card AND it comes with a free year of LN2, or that AMD pulled a miracle "Eureka" moment and it runs at 75wats, we just dont know yet.

And finaly, I'm a AMD boy, have been for a looooooooooong time, since the *586 for CPU and All-In-Wonder-128 for ATI, I still try to be objective when looking at new parts FROM EVERYONE.

March 23, 2015 | 09:24 PM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

I'll do that for as much and for as long as I want, as long as my "conversational opponent" keeps on being extremely ignorant, completely arrogant, and utterly stupid - a.k.a. producing sheer autism.

I don't "think" it's a bad product. It IS a bad product. All way through. That is a FACT. Get that down your brainwashed marketing victim head.

March 23, 2015 | 12:19 AM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

As far as FPS goes, you simply amuse me, kiddo.
Two 970s (NINE SEVENTIES. I recommend you to stop right there and think looong and thoroughly well about that) beat it. And R9 390X, which also already beat it, comes out in just two months.

March 21, 2015 | 02:14 AM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

Update: aaand...done. Thumb down all the way it is. Didn't take very long for you to fail completely and utterly, PcPer. Too bad.

March 22, 2015 | 12:56 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

For sure Nvidia's kit is too pricy, that's why AMD will be the better buy, and who rushes out and pays top dollar for the latest bleeding edge, wait for the suckers to pay the high process/engineering R&D costs and get the parts on sale, they will be eventually on sale. There are PC gamers who do not game with the latest and greatest, and save big bucks. And any realistic gamer will want the best deal for the dollar, it's not like the games will drastically change after 6 months or a year. for sure there is a lot of new technology about to be released, HBM, and such, so wait about 6 months and start looking for the sales, let the fools have the first bragging rights, and be the smart one with the money in the pocket. AMD's cards always come down in price, and while Nvidia has its HPC/Supercomputer business to sell the SKUs with the proper DP performance to, Nvidia will always give its gaming customers less and charge more.

It is always good to wait a year for the new technology to make its way down into the middle range SKUs(HBM), and AMD will not be bringing much to its middle range product line for about 6 Mo to a year after the top of the line intros the new technology, but HBM, and GCN 1.3 will arrive in the mid range SKUs soon enough.

March 23, 2015 | 12:22 AM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

Holy shit, sometimes you CAN be actually reasonably decent and not act like you're a totally retarded lamer that doesn't know jack shit. You've definitely surprised me this time, kiddo. Not bad.

March 23, 2015 | 10:50 AM - Posted by Josh Walrath

I can't remember exactly, but I didn't think anyone on the podcast recommended the card.  We did cover the DP issue, and I believe I said something along the lines of "Yet another card that I will not see, much less touch."  Not exactly a resounding recommendation from the crew.

It most definitely is a halo product that will appeal only to those with a lot of extra money in the bank.  Or a person who doesn't mind going into debt more so that they can brag about their latest purchase.  I'm not a huge fan of any halo product.  This one is really expensive for what one gets.  The R9 295 X2 pulls way to much power and CrossFire (or any multi-GPU for that matter) has issues in many titles.  There are just as many people who hate SLI as well.

While it is a product that will appeal to few, it is still interesting in that they were able to get a 600 mm sq. part to work as well as it does, all the while staying around that 250 watt TDP mark.  In terms of technical achievements, it is impressive.  I just think the price/performance ratio is non-optimal for a part that is aimed at gamers.  Having said that, for developers who primarily work in partial precision and single precision, this is an inexpensive compute machine that will likely be grabbed up by these guys.

March 23, 2015 | 09:18 PM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

Go and re-listen to what the Jeremy "#1 nGreedia shill" Hellstrom spewed out. He actually in all seriousness proclaimed this is a good gaming card, while others kept on parroting "awesome! Quack! AWESOME!". That's beyond stupid.
This garbage crap can't do jack, neither in computing nor in gaming (two 970s, NINE EFFING SEVENTIES, beat this piece of trash). That was the point when I stopped the absolutely asinine video and thumbed it down. Because it 100% deserved that treatment.

March 24, 2015 | 02:40 AM - Posted by Martin Trautvetter

Lets turn this around.

What would it take for this card to not have you throw a tantrum like a pre-schooler?

March 28, 2015 | 03:17 AM - Posted by Master Chen (not verified)

>What would it take for this card to not
AT LEAST a 512 bit bus, and also an official price tag below 800$.
This piece of dead-on-arrival garbage doesn't have any of those and is completely and absolutely useless trash both as of right now and in the future. And taking into consideration the recently happened events (http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-290x-fast-titan-dx12-enabled-3dmark-33-faster...), this actually strikes the last nails in the coffin of this still-born crap.

March 24, 2015 | 02:40 AM - Posted by Martin Trautvetter

oops.

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