Podcast #197 - Z77 Motherboards, GTX690 Rumors, and the truth behind the new Indilinx controller

Subject: General Tech | April 12, 2012 - 03:46 PM |
Tagged: Z77, ssd, podcast, nvidia, Marvell, Ivy Bridge, Intel, Indilinx, gtx690

PC Perspective Podcast #197 - 04/12/2012

Join us this week as we talk about Z77 Motherboards, GTX690 Rumors, and the truth behind the new Indilinx controller.

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Hosts: Ryan Shrout, Jeremy Hellstrom, Josh Walrath, and Allyn Malvantano

This Podcast is brought to you by MSI Computer, and their all new Sandy Bridge Motherboards!

Program length: 1:19:45

Program Schedule: 

  1. Introduction
  2. 1-888-38-PCPER or podcast@pcper.com
  3. http://pcper.com/podcast
  4. http://twitter.com/ryanshrout and http://twitter.com/pcper
  5. iPad 2012 vs. Transformer Prime
  6. Kingwin Lazer Platinum 1000W
  7. Asus ROG Maximus V GENE
  8. Raspberry Pi passes EMC Compliance
  9. This Podcast is brought to you by MSI Computer, and their all new Sandy Bridge Motherboards!
  10. Will the real Indilinx controller ...
    1. please make themselves known to the staff
  11. NV Tegra 4 Specifications Leak
  12. Maingear Shift System: Just Delivered
  13. ZOTAC Intel 7 Series Mobos
  14. Leaks about NV GTX 690
  15. Epic talks storm of Bullets
  16. http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Introduces-Two-New-Rebranded-600-Series-Cards
  17. http://www.pcper.com/news/Systems/PCAudioLabs-Editing-PC-Sweepstakes-Winner
  18. This week: Still working on watercooling from Antec
  19. Hardware / Software Pick of the Week
    1. Ryan:  thermite 
    2. Jeremy:  Scotch in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!
    3. Josh:  Morrowind Overhaul
    4. Allyn:  IDE USB Dock!
  20. 1-888-38-PCPER or podcast@pcper.com
  21. http://pcper.com/podcast   
  22. http://twitter.com/ryanshrout and http://twitter.com/pcper
  23. Closing


April 12, 2012 | 05:27 PM - Posted by Humanitarian

Looking forward to this, should be a good one!
Video eta? I can't take anything Josh says seriously without looking at his face.

April 12, 2012 | 06:41 PM - Posted by Calculon (not verified)

Always a blast when Josh slips Ryan a roofie and takes over the show.

April 12, 2012 | 10:24 PM - Posted by Josh Walrath

I approve of this message.

April 12, 2012 | 10:31 PM - Posted by Ryan Shrout

Ugh, I still feel groggy...

April 12, 2012 | 11:38 PM - Posted by Josh Walrath

At least your butt doesn't hurt.

April 13, 2012 | 12:13 AM - Posted by Calculon (not verified)


April 13, 2012 | 01:26 AM - Posted by Nilbog

This site is run by the most fun, smart people

Also: http://youtu.be/xAwUei3z-2E

April 13, 2012 | 04:07 PM - Posted by Tim Verry

Thanks! We all try to make tech fun.

April 13, 2012 | 01:32 AM - Posted by Nadger (not verified)

man i love you guys, even without Ryan you guys still manage to be informative and entertaining at the same time.

News suggests April 23rd is the new release date for ivy bridge. I assume you have had ivy bridge there in the office, but have been unable to talk about it yet, does this mean we will be getting coverage of Ivy bridge sooner than anticipated?

Ryan, please cover the z77 sabertooth motherboard from ASUS asap. Also cover availability of 680 cards, I am holding off upgrading until Ivy bridge release and your coverage of it. I am hoping to be able to order my new system from newegg on april 23rd. I am really interested in the performance gains for gaming with the Virtue MVP option enabled in conjunction with the 680.


Allyn, I plan on using z77's SRT tech with a WD 1.5 TB black. Do you have a suggestion for which SSD to use, given its 64gb limit.

Josh/Jeremy: What do you two recommend for a good scotch whiskey?

April 13, 2012 | 11:27 AM - Posted by Josh Walrath

Jeremy would be the one best suited to answer that. I primarily stick with beer. Though for a good single malt scotch... Laphroig is really good. If you like a strong oak/peat flavor.

April 13, 2012 | 01:26 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

I'm with Josh on Laphroaig and other Islays as I prefer strong phenols to bring peat and smoke to the scotch. The honest answer is that there are almost no bad scotches, you just have to keep drinking different ones until you discover your favourites. I tend to Islays and Speysides, it could be that you prefer the heather overtones more common to the Highlands or maybe a Lowland.

Littlemill 25 is one of the bad ones, it's like a baby drank Hi5 and then puked it back up into your glass

April 13, 2012 | 04:58 PM - Posted by Nadger (not verified)

haha, thanks for the recommendations!

April 14, 2012 | 09:02 PM - Posted by Josh Walrath

Speyburn is really good as well. Not as peaty as the Islays, but very smooth.

April 17, 2012 | 04:32 PM - Posted by djotter

I have a Laphroaig Quarter Cask myself mmmMMMmmm :)

April 13, 2012 | 02:17 AM - Posted by Nadger (not verified)

A quick note as to your piracy discussion.

I recently switched jobs and i worked for a retail company who had some pretty strict anti-theft measures. I would have to lock up razor blade refills so you could not get them off the shelf without getting a sales associate to unlock it for you. I took the sales data of razor refills over the last several months, and noted it down. Then i went against company policy and removed the locks from these razor blade refills. I then watched the sales figures of the blades, and they went up something along the lines of 427%. Once people no longer had that barrier to buy the blades, the sales shot up drastically. I also logged the theft of these blades. Each week I would do a cycle count of what inventory said we had, and what we actually had. Ifound that by removing the locks, the theft went up...but only by 15% or so, if i remember correctly.

So by removing the anti-theft mechanism, preventing legitimate customers from buying razor blade cartridges, sales on them went drastically up, while theft only went up 15% or so.

However upon reporting this to corporate, they only focused on the theft and not on the sales increases. Corporations are too fixated on potential lost sales due to theft, and not enough on lost sales due to anti-theft.

The same thing applies to video games. I was extremely interested in bullet storm, but when the time came to buy it, i read reviews and changed my mind. God forbid we accept blame of lost sales due to a bad/mediocre game, and instead throw it to the piracy wolves. Scapegoats are a powerful drug it seems.

April 13, 2012 | 03:51 AM - Posted by Scott Michaud

Well in that specific case you'd need to adjust for cost. 10% profit margins means you'd need to have ~9 sales (depending on how you calculate percent profit) to each theft to not have a net loss.

But you have the right idea at least: the one measurement doesn't affect the other -- they both are derived from factors which affect both -- but they don't affect each other.

Thus do not assume anything about one measurement by blindly looking at the other.

April 13, 2012 | 05:08 PM - Posted by Nadger (not verified)

If i remember right the markup they have on them was around 30-40% So while it is true one loss takes several sales to recoup, there are other factors to look at as well. Would the thieves have paid for them if they were locked up? What about repeat customers coming back to buy razor blades from you because they don't have the hassle of finding someone to unlock one for them. Also, whats to prevent a shoplifter from asking that you unlock them, then steal them afterward.

In any case the analogy to video game piracy is getting thin when you stretch it that far. Though I do think there is something to be said about repeat business for a hassle free experience when it comes to games.

As to origin vs steam, I do have a couple games on origin but i avoid it like the plague. Its not that I've had a bad experience with it, its more along the lines of what Allyn said. I prefer to only run one client to accomplish a task, rather than redundancies. I own far far more games on steam, so I will always buy from them first. Also Valve has not given me a reason to distrust them where EA has several times.

April 13, 2012 | 04:12 PM - Posted by Tim Verry

sigh, figures they would only focus on "lost sales" bullshit and punish the legitimate customers. Hello, they are criminals, they aren't going to buy them no matter what barriers you use so incentivize the people who will actually want to spend money :P

That would be entirely too logical though, so that'll never happen.

April 13, 2012 | 09:29 AM - Posted by EH100501AC (not verified)

51:57 - 52:16 is messed up

April 13, 2012 | 11:05 AM - Posted by j0hndoe

Great episode. As a new listener, I'm hooked.

Subscriber for life now ;)

April 13, 2012 | 11:38 AM - Posted by Travis (not verified)

I don't have any problems with Origin as far as major bugs go, it's more inconveniences/annoyances.

For example you can't join a friends BF3 game through Origin, you have to first go to the battlelog (which is buggy) in your web browser.

There's no backup feature (like Steam has) for easily transferring your games to another machine or re-installing your OS.

For a long time you couldn't remove BETA/DEMOs from your Origin games list, even though those demos/betas had expired. They finally allow you to do this in a recent update though.

Then there's the fact that Origin is essentially spyware, and tracks everything you have installed on your PC. I personally don't really mind this one, but a lot of people understandably have a problem with this.

April 13, 2012 | 12:33 PM - Posted by wargames12

I'm with Allyn on Origin. It tries to do what steam does - but with only EA titles. It's an inconvenience to have to run this whole other program that, while it doesn't necessarily have issues, isn't as good of an experience as with Steam. I really hope game don't take this route where each publisher is going to require its own digital distribution program.

April 13, 2012 | 12:59 PM - Posted by Scott Michaud

Actually EA wants other publishers on Origin as well.

Because *why not* get a cut of other people's sales?

April 17, 2012 | 04:40 PM - Posted by djotter

N.B. for your thermite experiment, only very specific fire extinguishers will work on a combustible metals (Class D) fire. The dry powder (ABE) one you used is only for combustible solids (A), combustible liquids (B) and electrical fires (E). Science is fun, but be careful.

Your fire safety trained, laboratory technician :-)


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