Next up in rejected supervillans; the Cougar Revenger who can push mice to 2 KHz and beyond

Subject: General Tech | July 9, 2018 - 05:12 PM |
Tagged: Cougar, Revenger S, gaming mouse, PMW3360, input

Cougar have done some interesting things behind the scenes with their new Revenger S mouse, which can be set to a reporting rate of 2 KHz, doubling USB's 1 KHz polling rate.  This is quite the trick, as without modifying how your motherboard's USB works the polling rate will remain at 1KHz.  Cougar's mouse reports twice every millisecond, however it is not spaced out as you might expect, instead the mouse seems to report at 900μs and 100μs with a packet of 64 bytes, as opposed to 8 bytes.  The Tech Report delve into the technology in their review as well as offering insight into the difference in use with the mouse at 1K and at 2K report rates; check it for yourself here.

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"Cougar's Revenger S gaming mouse has a top-shelf Pixart PMW3360 optical sensor with a twist: a claimed 2-KHz polling rate for lower latency in critical moments. We dug in to see just how Cougar achieved this unusual figure and what it means for the gaming experience."

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July 9, 2018 | 11:56 PM - Posted by AParsh135i

It would have made sense to at least let your readers know if TTR said that the 2khz made any sort of difference...

July 9, 2018 | 11:58 PM - Posted by AParsh135i

Also just an FYI - if you're thinking that you purposely did not tell us if the 2KHZ made a difference because you wanted us to go visit the techreport website, i feel that is a mistake. If I was your boss (Ryan) I would not want my readers clicking away from my site and spending the readers possibly limited time on someone else's website, bringing that website more revenue instead of my website that I pay you to work for. That is how business works.

July 10, 2018 | 07:39 AM - Posted by (not verified)

Maybe its not so much that they "wanted" you to go another site, so much that it was done as a professional courtesy. While it may not be outright stealing, as everything is credited accordingly, I don't think it would be very polite to merely copy and paste the work of somebody else. Moreover, given how THIS particular business works, usurping the transaction right at the point of sale, the "click", blur these ethical lines even more, and I don't believe that PCper's customers and/or industry colleagues would appreciate that type of behavior.

Your point about sponsoring the site (I assume you're referring to patreon) and feeling disappointed about seeing links to other websites is understandable, but maybe you're being a bit too critical. A) Other sites, including The Tech Report, provide these sorts of roundups to their readers. Tech Report calls theirs "short bread" or something. B) Blame the culture of the 24/hr news cycle. There just ISNT that much news to report on for sites to generate content on a such a fast paced basis. While I would love to be able to visit PCper on a daily basis, and be able to read some in depth articles, that's just not reality. The only way to be able to generate content so quickly, PCper would have to start navigating the rumor mills, and even then, what would be the end result? WCCFTech already owns that space.

July 10, 2018 | 03:32 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

You are pretty much bang on there ... we get a click, they get a click and it is reciprocated.  No sites were harmed by the muliple clicks.

As you say, we would love to be able to post several full reviews every day but that just isn't realistic. 


As for England; they are (still) delusional.

July 12, 2018 | 02:15 PM - Posted by Photonboy

The 2KHz issue has me MORE CONFUSED now than I was initially. In the linked ARTICLE it says:

"The problem comes in that the mouse is only sending packets to the computer one thousand times per second, just like any other high-end gaming mouse..."

but the mouse site linked from the linked article says THIS:

"The mouse accumulates input information (tracking, mouse clicks, etc.) and sends it to your PC in 0.5 millisecond intervals."

BOTH can't be true.

Now I get that supposedly it's 1000x per second with two data points per packet but that is NOT what the mouse site actually says in the directly above quote.

(nor does any of this seem to confirm that there is an observable difference... it may, it may not)

July 12, 2018 | 02:24 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

You aren't the only one, from the clusters it looks like it is sending a large packet which contains two movement measurements.  I am not positive but it seems similar to original DDR in that it is managing to overcome the limitation of USBs receive limit with some interesting tricks with the transmission of data.

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