HPE and AMD sitting in a tree ...

Subject: General Tech | September 24, 2018 - 02:05 PM |
Tagged: hp, hoe, amd, EPYC

According to DigiTimes, HP is now recommending it's AMD based servers to customers in preference of Intel chips.  The official word is that this is to ensure any shortages of new Intel silicon will not have any effect on their customers.  There is another point which could be behind this; Dell recently eclipsed HPE as the largest global server brand so HPE may be trying to recover that title by reducing the cost of their servers.  HPE has already demonstrated a willingness to move away from Intel based systsem as they are currently designing an ARM based supercomputer for the US Department of Energy, called Astra.

Either way this is good news for AMD.

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"HP Enterprise (HPE) has recently been said to have recommended its partners adopt its server products using AMD's platforms to avoid the impact of Intel processor shortages. But Digitimes sources from the upstream supply chain have indicated that no other server players have seen issues with supply of Intel's server processors."

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September 24, 2018 | 04:55 PM - Posted by 4LegsAnd1TailAndThatSmellThatSmellsOfRats (not verified)

Well HP Enterprise(Servers) and HP INC(PCs, Laptops, and Printers, monitors/other) are two separate business entities and there is a shortage of Intel's server SKU and consumer SKUs are in short supply also in some places.

But really HP INC you have knackered your current line of Raven Ridge based laptop products as far as laptop features and thermal envelopes are concerned. And I'm still wating for Some Raven Ridge H series APU love at 35+ watts in an HP Probook SKU to replace my IvyBridge core i7/Discrete Radeon 7650M(Terascale rebrand) based Probook that's getting older and older with each passing day.

I'm sure that Raven Ridge 2800H has more than enough Vega integrated GPU power to outperform that Radeon 7650M diecrete GPU, so I can actually get a laptop that does not really need a discrete GPU in order to do more non gaming graphics workloads. Intel's Integrated Graphics in a No Sale for that matter but Raven Ridge/Integrated Vega looks to be even more performant than Radeon 7650M(Terascale Rebrand) and Blended Cycles rendering will work on Vega but not on Terascale or GCN/First generation.

What's up with that HP INC/Other business laptop makers! Are you so subsidized in your OEM laptop Market by the Big Chip Monopoly that you can not even build a laptop without relying on some incentives from a CPU Parts supplier.

Intel has so destroyed the regular workhorse laptop form factor with its Naferious Ultrabook Initiative and still the OEMs are hooked on Intel's incentives like some drug dependent bum.

HP Enterprise is sure not going to lose sales behind any Intel shortages! So what about it, HP INC, and your not so Quality Features/Qualty of laptop support on your Raven Ridge based line of laptop SKUs!

Really NotebookCheck, even though HP likes to ship its Raven Ridge laptop's that offer 2 channels of memory but only populate one of the 2 channels with a DIMM, why! Why does NotebookCheck only benchmark the laptop with only one memory channel populated. NotebookCheck, ASK HP INC to send you a review laptop with both memory channels populated on do that on your own. I'm still smelling the Rats everywhere in the OEM Laptop market and I'm still waiting for a good workhorse grade business laptop from HP/other OEMs.

P.S. I like business class laptops becaues they all get Pro warrenties and better MB Build quality that consumer SKUs. Especially the business laptops makes/models that are most often purchased in mass but the enterprise customers, Laptop OEMs tend to use the best components on those particular laptop SKUs that are purchased by the thousands by big companies. So Let's hope that HP INC will see the light at some point in time and make some workhorse Raven Ridge H series(Raven Ridge 2800H to be exact) HP probook SKUs.

September 24, 2018 | 04:58 PM - Posted by 4LegsAnd1TailAndThatSmellThatSmellsOfRats (not verified)

Edit: Blended Cycles rendering
to: Blender Cycles rendering

September 24, 2018 | 05:04 PM - Posted by 4LegsAnd1TailAndThatSmellThatSmellsOfRats (not verified)

Edit: but the enterprise customers
To: by the enterprise customers

Edit: MB Build quality that consumer SKUs
to: MB Build quality than consumer SKUs

I'm retarded, so very retarded!

September 25, 2018 | 08:29 AM - Posted by hanselltc

Let's be considerate for a second here. Ryzen Mobile started with the second generation of Ryzen. The Envy X360 line was updated design wise, effectively a first gen product with a first gen product inside, and as far as that goes the 13" version was fine. Give them credit where it is due.

It is miles away from how well the XPS 13 works, but that one also took 3 years to update into some Macbook acolyte, and is priced way out of the Envy's league. Considering how the Envy literally is in a league of its own, let's not bash it too hard over the screen issues, the not very long lasting battery and the screen lottery.

September 25, 2018 | 01:06 PM - Posted by BegsAndPleadsToDifferOnThatLineOfReasoning (not verified)

AM4 has been supported by laptops since Bristol Ridge so Laptop OEMs have been bad with the AMD/Laptop feature sets there in a similar manner to Raven Ridge/Mobile. Look at all that single channel crap and 1366 X 768 nonsense that AMD's products have been treated to compared to Intel's SKUs. HP's Bristol Ridge laptops are what has been updated mostly to Raven Ridge with as little as a firmware update for some SKUs and maybe some little limited re-design work by HP for any newer HP/Raven Ridge offerings. And damn crappy laptop OEM graphics driver support because HP is using OEM modded graphics drivers that AMD can not update directly.

Everybody and their DOG Knows that the OEM laptop market has, over several decades, become financially dependent on a single Monopoly CPU Interest's incentives. The entire OEM laptop market Has/Has had to pay the majority of its Laptop's BOM to that one CPU supplier and thus became dependent on any Contra Revenue/Incentivized support refund schemes in order for the laptop OEM to remain solvent. Ditto for the laptop OEMs and discrete mobile GPUs also where one GPU maker so dominates the Discrete Mobile GPUs on OEM laptop market.

Laptop OEMs are so boxed in by their processor parts supply chain dependency, up until Raven Ridge was introduced, that they had to tow the line or lose what little parts rebates from the dominant CPU/GPU parts suppliers. And the laptop OEM's already razor thin Laptop Margins could very well evaporate completely if they did not comply with what was wink, wink understood but never written into any contract that included sales volume oriented/performance based rebates from the Big CPU and GPU majority market interests.

AMD's Raven Ridge APUs are around twice as performant on the integrated graphics side, even constrained to 15 Watts TDP compared to Intel's integrated graphics. And until AMD can get its market share numbers higher on laptops AMD will still be treated to some terrible treatments by Laptop OEMs.

The Raven Ridge H series performance mobile/laptop parts at 35W+ will enable any Laptop OEM to forgo any lower end Laptop paired with diecrete mobile competition on that all important price/performance metric. And AMD's GPU competition will surely be trying to undercut that price but AMD's GPU competitor can not set the price of the Laptop's CPU! So AMD has some latitude there to differentiate itself in the low cost WorkHorse 35+ watt Zen/Vega Integrated Graphics laptop market with its H series of performance oriented 35W+ cTDP APUs.

This is because my Intel quad core i7 IvyBridge based laptop(ProBook) was only purchased by me for mostly the discrete Mobile 7650M(Terascale Rebrand) Graphics. Intel's Integrated graphics is not performant enough to deal with high polygon count Blender 3d mesh models for non gaming Graphics usage. So I'm wanting a ProBook that supports a 35W+ Raven Ridge 2800H part(Not 15 watt) as my current i7/7650M reguires about 55 Watts, CPU/35W plus Discrete Mobile GPU/20W, of thermal cooling. Any CPU Parts constrained to 15 watts in any thin and light form factor laptop means NO SALE to me for Any laptop with APU/SOC parts that are essentially worthless constraind to such low cTDPs.

Now the Ryzen/Raven Ridge 2800H APU has Vega 11 Graphics with 704 SPs and that's already a higher SP count than the discrete Mobile 7650M(Terascale Rebrand)'s 480 SPs. And that's 704 Vega SPs graphics compared to Pre GCN "Thames" graphics on the 7650M. The only advantage the 7650M has is its own VRAM which is not really an advantage beacuse it's GDDR3/DDR3(variants) based anyways on the 7650M.

So I'm really going to be interested in any laptop that ships with 16GB of Fast DDR4 memory that makes use of the Ryzen/Raven Ridge 2800H APU that has Vega 11(nCUs) based Graphics that's 5 generations ahead of the diecrete Terascale/Thames non GCN Graphics on my current probook. And Vega Graphics that can make use of Blender 3D's OpenCL based Cycles Rendering accelerated on the GPU's rendering pipline. Terascale and even GCN first generation are not Blender 3D/GPU-Cycles-rendering compliant, there's no OpenCL(Split Kernel) graphics driver support for GCN 1.0/older AMD GPUs for Blender's OpenCL cycles GPU rendering. So Blender will default to CPU/Cycles rendering mode, slow as hell compared to the GPU but great for CPU benchmarking purposes as is Blender's "Blender Renderer" CPU rendering mode also.

And The Vega 11/nCUs Graphics should be able to handle even larger high polygon count meshes before Blender 3D's edit mode interface begins to bog down handeling mash models with 2 million+ polygons(where the 7650M begins to become overloaded). Intel's Ivy Bridge Graphics begins to big down at around the 500,000 polygon count and the Blender Edit mode UI becomes unresponsive/unusable!

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