Coffee Lake ssssssssssssssssss

Subject: General Tech | September 13, 2018 - 12:41 PM |
Tagged: rumour, leak, Intel, coffee lake s

The S in Coffee Lake S should obviously sound like air slowly leaking out of an air mattress as we now have an idea of the pricing before Intel has official announced them.  The prices come from a Singaporean site, so the direct currency conversion which The Inquirer links to may not be completely accurate but the prices do seem in the right ballpark.  You can expect to pay around $452 for the i9-9900k with the i7-9700k coming in one hundred dollars cheaper at $352 or $251 for an i5-9600k.  If these prices are more or less correct then AMD's Ryzen 2 chips are noticeably less expensive. 

We do have to wait for the release before we can give you performance per dollar ratings, either by thread or by chip.

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"INFO AROUND INTEL'S 9th-gen chips is leakier than a bucket that been battered by a morning star, an indicated by the prices for the next wave of Intel CPUs slipping out prematurely in Singapore."

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Source: The Inquirer

September 13, 2018 | 01:37 PM - Posted by William Rea (not verified)

"leakier than a bucket that been battered by a morning star"? Come on, you can do better than that.

How about, leakier than a bucket at a redneck shooting range. Or, leakier than the White House on a holiday. Or, leakier than a teething baby with a sinus infection.

We expect higher standards from you guys, get your act together.

September 13, 2018 | 02:21 PM - Posted by ReadTheTeaLeavesBubba (not verified)

Unless you are the Investment House Kind Of Morning Star(1), that's reporting on some market news for its investors and then some Intel investors will be in a state of Mourning over some lost share value. with more losses to come!

And do go and read up and then you will get what was alluded to.

(1)

"UPDATE: Intel's stock falls into first bear market in over 2 years"

https://www.morningstar.com/news/market-watch/TDJNMW_2018091275/update-i...

September 13, 2018 | 02:41 PM - Posted by ReadTheTeaLeavesBubba (not verified)

P.S.

that leaky "ssssssssssssssssss" sound is really the sound of Intel's Gross Margins deflating and the Wallstreet Quants doing their maths on Intel's future Gross Margin potential in the face of AMD's Epyc competition. So That's adding more "ssssssssssssssssss" sounds and watch Intel's gross margins over the next 4 or 6 busines full Quarters as AMD begins to take more of Intel's server market share away.

The server market does not care about FPS metrics, it only cares about Price/Performance and now also availability of the server SKUs! Just Look at HP recommending Epyc to those Intel customers that can not get the Xeon Parts because of the supply issues that Intel is having. Really Intel, WTF is up with that little supply issue fly in the ointment lately!

September 13, 2018 | 06:52 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

They're English, and I laughed.   Damn holy water sprinklers have a lot of points, don't you know?

A Brexit, UKIP, or Boris joke would likely also have merely parted your hair.

September 13, 2018 | 03:39 PM - Posted by Anonymously Anonymous (not verified)

in other news, i counted 5 adverts for blops 4, and 4 other adverts for ryzen, along with one for an aging drew barrymore and crocs footwear,

sidenote, I once left a pair of crocs outside and the next day the sun had cuased them to shrink about 5 whole sizes, i never bought crocs again.

September 13, 2018 | 06:50 PM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

Friends don't let friends buy crocs ... everyone else should consider other deterents.

I'm jealous as I haven't seen Drew around here and well, the CODBLOPS is everywhere man, coming right at us and ...

September 14, 2018 | 12:39 PM - Posted by Anonymously Anonymous (not verified)

sigh, wife bought them for me, not my idea.

and now? they shrunk so much, they are now her size and she wears them!

September 13, 2018 | 03:56 PM - Posted by James

How much was an 8 core part before Ryzen? It is good to have some competition. I am planning on building a Ryzen system soon; just need to figure out what notherboard to get mostly.

The server market doesn't switch quickly. Servers are offen spec'ed a long time in advance. The conpany I work for is still using Broadwell based Xeons in new machines. They will jot be changing the spec for a while. Intel had a good name in the server market; many people would go with intel by default, regardless of benchmarks. The recent vullnerabilities have probably become a big driving force for cloud providers and other server markets. They pretty much have to install all patches for meltdown and spectre like vulnerabilities, which is a massive performance hit on intel systems. AMD doesn't have the massive hit from meltdown KPTI fixes. Those fixes do not effect consumer applications much, but server applications, especially virtual machines, have taken a big hit. In addition to the performance loss problems on Intel, some people may be thinking that it is a bad idea to have a single provider, possibly with the same vulnerabilities on all machines. Some bad security vulnerability from one vendor could shutdown your entire business. This is annargument for further diversification though, such as ARM servers, not just AMD servers.

September 13, 2018 | 06:22 PM - Posted by LoadsOfZenZeppelinDIEsReadyForThoseMCMs (not verified)

And GF will be fabbing First Generation Epyc CPUs for some years to come as the server market does require that long term support. AMD's first generation Zem/Epyc offerings are currently the only AMD SKUs currently certified by for the Server market by those server customers. And Epyc/Rome will take a while to be certified/vetted by the same folks.

AMD's Zen based Epyc/Naples CPUs are what will be getting AMD that first double digit server market share back again for AMD over the next year or so. And no market should single source its CPU needs from a single maker as Meltdown/Spectre has shown. There is even Power9 to consider also along with the ARM ISA based ThunderX2 from Cavium(now owned by Marvell Technology Group Ltd.) so there are choices out there. But it's sure going to be easy to transition away from Intel's x86 and over to AMD's x86 without too much in the way compared to porting software over to a different ISA.

Intel's price/performance metric is still not fully comparing up to AMD's price/performance and total features metrics with that Epyc/Naples and SP3 Motherboard ecosystem and 8 memory channels and 128 PCIe 3.0 lanes standard. That's something to also consider along with AMD not requiring any Meltdown fixes and some minor Spectre fixes currently compared to the fixes required for Intel for both Meltdown and Spectre and some larger performance hits on some server related workloads.

September 15, 2018 | 05:52 PM - Posted by Alb (not verified)

Upcoming Xeon line do not require any Meltdown fix and Spectre mitigation is at the level of Amd and Arm SKUs. Spectre is unfixable and hit all modern cpus available on the market with the same severity.

About your pci lanes, actual Amd motherboards utilize only a fraction of them in a good manner. They are useless on a standard server worload.

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