Subject: Motherboards | June 8, 2018 - 10:54 AM | Tim Verry
Tagged: X399, tr4, threadripper 2, Threadripper, msi, computex 2018, computex, amd
Following AMD’s reveal of a 32 core Threadripper 2 (12nm Zen+ not Zen 2) processor using all four dies coming in Q3, it is only natural that new TR4 socket motherboards would emerge. MSI was well prepared for the reveal with its upcoming X399 MEG Creation motherboard on display at Computex. The massive E-ATX motherboard features a black PCB with silver accents and two huge heatsinks covering the VRMs in the top left and the chipset and three M.2 slots in the bottom right. The TR4 socket sits between eight DDR4 DIMM slots and is topped by a ludicrous 16+3 power phase (doubled eight for vCore, the remaining phases for vSoC) cooled by a large heatsink. The board takes power from two 8-pin and one 24-pin power connector.
TechPowerUp got hands on with the new board at Computex.
Below the processor sits four PCI-E x16 slots (wired x16/x8/x16/x8) and a single PCI-E x1 slot. There are eight SATA 6 Gbps ports along the right edge of the board and below the L shaped heatsink users can install three M.2 solid state drives. MSI claims that enthusiasts can install up to seven M.2 drives using the 3 M.2 slots on the motherboard as well as four slots provided by a PCI-E add-on card (e.g. MSI Xpander AERO PCIe).
Around back the X399 MEG Creation offers up 10 USB 3.1 ports (one Type-C), two Gigabit Ethernet ports, two Wi-Fi antenna connectors for the 2x2 802.11ac Wi-Fi and BT 5.0 radios, and six audio outputs (5 analog, one optical).
The massive Threadripper motherboard reportedly has 10 PWM fan connectors and three temperature sensors to aid in cooling and overclocking. The board also has handy BIOS flashing and overclocking features galore.
The X399 MEG Creation supports Threadripper as well as the upcoming Threadripper 2000 series processors and should make for an interesting setup for enthusiasts! The lack of 10 Gigabit Ethernet is dissapointing, but at least the two gigabit NICs are Intel based (MSI is using Intel for the Wi-Fi as well). If you are curious about the new X399 board, Tom's Hardware and TechPowerUp managed to snap several photos of the high-end motherboard at the MSI booth. If you prefer video, Gamer's Nexus has a short clip of it here.
KitGuru is reporting that the massive motherboard will cost upwards of $500. MSI has not yet revealed a launch date. Presumably we can expect the X399 MEG Creation to be available sometime in Q3 just in time for the Threadripper 2000 series availability.
Subject: Processors | June 5, 2018 - 11:40 AM | Ryan Shrout
Tagged: X399, X-Series, Intel, HEDT, 28 core
If you thought running at 5 GHz was neat with a 6-core part, Intel had another surprise for you last night. As part of its Computex keynote, the company demonstrated a 28-core processor running at 5 GHz on all cores, planned for the HEDT segment sometime before the end of 2018.
We don't have a lot of detail on this demo, including what socket this is using, whether this is a single monolithic die design or a multi-chip package using EMIB, or if this is will cost you more than your current domicile to purchase.
It showed a score of 7334 on Cinebench R15. Think about that - the 18-core Core i9-7980XE is our current stock leader in this test with a result of 3346. That means this 28-core processor demo was 2.19x faster than the current fastest part on the market!!
All of the unknown factors make it slightly less exciting, to be honest. What power draw was it running at? Is this viable for a consumer platform, in reality? Is 5 GHz a possibility for us mere mortals? Clearly if you are in need of extreme multi-threading capability and performance for rendering, encoding, or mega-tasking, it appears Intel may have the best solution available come this holiday season.
UPDATE 6/6/18: It has now been confirmed by people on the ground in Taipei that the Intel 28-core demo was a complex feat. The motherboards were built by ASUS and Gigabyte, modifications of a server-class LGA3647 socket board that required a 32-phase power system, and a 1HP (horsepower) water chiller and refrigerant to drop the liquid to a cool 4 degrees Celsius. The processor is a single-die part, basically a Xeon Scalable Platinum 8180, that has a list price of $10,000.
Obviously this is not a configuration that any reasonable consumer, even the crazy ones really, would be willing to employ. It means motherboards with the X299 chipset will not be compatible with this part as it requires a new socket. It also means that clock speeds for real-world designs will be much lower, likely a Gigahertz or more.
There are a lot of questions to poke around about before the end of the year if we are truly going to understand Intel's plans for the enthusiast platform at the end of 2018.
Subject: Motherboards | March 29, 2018 - 02:35 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: gigabyte, designare EX, X399, aorus
Speaking of the X399 Designare EX, [H]ard|OCP recently reviewed this high end Threadripper motherboard. The features of this motherboard are as impressive as the price, you get eight DDR4 slots, three M.2 ports, 13 USB 3.1 slots with a mix of Gen 1 and 2 though only a single Type-C, dual wired NICs plus WiFi and Bluetooth, not to mention four PCIe 3.0 16x slots. All of these features do add to the complexity of setting up a system, especially when overclocking so read through the full review for hints on how best to set up your system.
"GIGABYTE’s X399 Designare EX is a rich, full featured solution for AMD’s Threadripper CPUs. At $370, this isn’t a budget-oriented offering. The thing people usually want to know when looking at motherboards in this price bracket is if such products are worth the extra cost. Read on to find out if this gaming and workstation offering is worthwhile."
Here are some more Motherboard articles from around the web:
- MSI B350M Gaming Pro with Ryzen 5 2400G @ Guru of 3D
- MSI Z370I Gaming Pro Carbon AC mITX @ [H]ard|OCP
- ASUS ROG Maximus X Formula @ Kitguru
- ECS Z370-Lightsaber Motherboard Review @ Neoseeker
- Gigabyte Z370N WiFi @ Kitguru
- ASRock X299 Extreme4 @ TechPowerUp
Subject: Motherboards | February 28, 2018 - 06:19 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: X399, Threadripper, ROG STRIX X399-E GAMING, asus, amd
ASUS' ROG STRIX X399-E Gaming motherboard for Threadripper offers a less expensive alternative to some of their higher end boards; however the $350 price tag is still a little steep. You still get a wide variety of internal and external connections, but there is no DIMM.2 adapter for an additional M.2 drive and [H]ard|OCP found the PCB to be flimsy enough that they popped out a standoff on one of the installed heatsinks due to that flexibility. The layout of the board was lauded as was the overall performance, so if you are looking to build a Threadripper system for a little less then this is a board worth investigating.
"The ROG STRIX X399-E Gaming promises to be a lower cost options for AMD’s Threadripper processors. This is a "less is more" approach to motherboard design than the exquisite and expensive ROG Zenith Extreme. The ROG brand has always been a premium brand. With these lower cost STRIX boards, does this remain true? "
Here are some more Motherboard articles from around the web:
- Gigabyte X299 Aorus Gaming 7 PRO @ Guru of 3D
- MSI X299M Gaming Pro Carbon AC @ KitGuru
- ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-I Gaming @ [H]ard|OCP
- ECS Z370-Lightsaber @ TechPowerUp
- Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming K3 @ Guru of 3D
- ASUS MAXIMUS IX CODE @ TechPowerUp
- Asus Maximus IX Extreme – with Bitspower monoblock @ Kitguru
- Don't Bother with A320 Motherboards, Go for AMD's B350 Instead for Raven Ridge @ TechSpot
Subject: Cases and Cooling | November 9, 2017 - 04:28 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, Threadripper, watercooler, phanteks, Glacier C399A, X399
[H]ard|OCP have been working their way through every Threadripper compatible waterblock, the latest model to be tested is Phanteks' Glacier C399A. The top of the waterblock is clear acrylic, perfect if you plan on adding a little colour to your coolant especially if you make use of the Frag-Harder Disco Lights. Mounting is reasonably easy, no dedicated in or out connector to confuse and tightening can be accomplished with a small pair of pliers, which you may find necessary. The cooling performance was in line with the other coolers they've tested, though the C399A does lose some marks because of the need to tighten the mounting mechanism on occasion. Check out the full review for details.
"The Phanteks Glacier C399A is a custom-designed water cooling block built specifically for AMD's new Threadripper processors. It has great looks, Frag-Harder Disco Lights, is built like a tank, and seems to be just what the doctor ordered when it comes to cooling overclocked Threadripper CPUs."
Here are some more Cases & Cooling reviews from around the web:
- EK Supremacy EVO Threadripper TR4 Waterblock @ [H]ard|OCP
- XSPC RayStorm Neo CPU Water Block @ TechPowerUp
- Cooler Master MA610P and MA410P RGB @ Kitguru
- Fractal Design Celsius S24 @ TechPowerUp
- Raijintek Asterion Plus @ Benchmark Reviews
- Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P @ Modders-Inc
- Corsair Carbide SPEC-04 TG @ Benchmark Reviews
- BitFenix Aurora @ TechPowerUp
- NZXT H700i @ Guru3D
- Thermaltake View 71 Tempered Glass Edition @ [H]ard|OCP
Subject: Motherboards | October 30, 2017 - 01:56 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: X399, Threadripper, gigabyte, designare EX, amd
Gigabyte have updated their lineup of X399 Threadripper boards with the new Designare EX. It sports a long list of features including dual Intel GbE LAN, Dual Band 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 4.2, three M.2 slots, ALC1220 audio with 120dB SNR and a USB 3.1 Type-C port on the back as well as support for a second front port once cases start including them.
Two of the M.2 slots lie between PCIe slots, with the third under the lit heatshield on the lower right of the board so do make sure to install them before the GPU. The board is great for miners and gamers alike, the four top PCIe 3.0 slots can provide x16/x16/x8/x8 simultaneously thanks to Threadrippers huge count of PCIe lanes; the bottom most slot offers x4 speeds for an SSD.
You can read more about their Smart Fan 5 cooling, M.2 heatsinks, advanced power features and RGBs in the full press release.
Subject: Motherboards | October 26, 2017 - 04:08 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, Threadripper, gigabyte, X399, aorus gaming 7
[H]ard|OCP took exception to some of the design choices on the Gaming 7, specifically the placement of an M.2 slot directly underneath the first PCIe slot and some of the data and power connectors are inconveniently placed. On the other hand the performance of the board is top notch, the 1950X ran perfectly stable at 4GHz and as there are two headers for watercooling on separate sides of the motherboard you should be able to hit that yourself. They have learned some interesting facts about the X399 chipset so even if you are not picking up this board it is worth reading through the whole article.
"We review GIGABYTE’s X399 Aorus Gaming 7 and see how it stacks up in the world of HEDT motherboards. This motherboard is not priced all that high considering the amount of features it touts and certainly it is not priced high for the stability we were afforded while overclocking the Threadripper to 4GHz."
Here are some more Motherboard articles from around the web:
- ECS Z270H4-I Review @ Neoseeker
- ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F Gaming @ Guru of 3D
- ASRock Z370 Taichi @ TechPowerUp
- MSI X299 XPower Gaming AC @ [H]ard|OCP
- GIGABYTE X299 Aorus Gaming 3 @ [H]ard|OCP
Subject: General Tech | October 11, 2017 - 12:37 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: X399, x299, Threadripper, skylake-x, ryzen, Intel, amd
Over at [H]ard|OCP is a look at the current market and the resurgence of competition which we are currently enjoying. As opposed to several pages of detailed benchmarks, the article focuses on the various feature sets that AMD and Intel currently offer and the effect it has on your current system choices. They consider a wide variety of aspects, from the quality and quantity of PCIe lanes offered on X399 and X299 platforms through to the very different choices the companies have made when it comes to PCIe storage and RAID. It has been quite a while since we have seen the competition between AMD and Intel heat up to these levels and it is wonderful to see.
"I’ve spent quite a bit of time with AMD’s Threadripper and X399 chipset and I thought I’d give our readers my impression of it and talk about the platform as well as giving interested consumers a general overview of the platform and what it has to offer. We compare it to Intel’s HEDT platform and give our take on this match up."
Here is some more Tech News from around the web:
- Intel May Sit Out Race to EUV @ EE Times
- It's 2017... And Windows PCs can be pwned via DNS, webpages, Office docs, fonts – and some TPM keys are fscked too @ The Register
- NVIDIA GTC Europe 2017: Early Access To Holodeck & Debut Of DRIVE PX Pegasus @ Techgage
- Samsung rings death knell for disk, gears up for QLC flash production @ The Register
- EKEN V8S Native 4k Action Camera Review @ NikKTech
- Symantec CEO: Source Code Reviews Pose Unacceptable Risk @ Slashdot
- OnePlus is slurping personally-identifiable data without user consent @ The Inquirer
- Synology 2018 Event: DSM 6.2 With Windows/Linux Virtualization, 4K HDR10 & New NAS Ranges @ Techgage
Subject: Motherboards | October 9, 2017 - 03:20 PM | Sebastian Peak
Tagged: msi, amd, Threadripper, X399, X399 SLI Plus, motherboard, workstation
MSI has announced a new X399 workstation motherboard for AMD Threadripper processors with the X399 SLI PLUS, a performance-oriented option with a full compliment of the company's premium motherboard features.
"Perfect for content creators who are looking for a great performer with plenty of connectivity options, MSI’s new X399 SLI PLUS is an optimized workstation motherboard, built for designers. Featuring heavy plated heatsinks, Military Class V components and numerous unique and patented performance enhancing features, this motherboard is the best choice for professionals looking for speed and stability."
MSI's feature list includes:
- Supports AMD RYZEN THREADRIPPER Series Processors
- Support 8 DIMMs, Quad Channel DDR4 3600+ (OC)
- DDR4 Boost: Advanced technology provided by MSI OC lab to ensure maximum compatibility for overclocking performance.
- AUDIO BOOST 4: Reward your ears with studio grade sound quality for the most immersive audio experience
- Mystic Light and Mystic Light Sync: Personalize your PC with 16.8 million colors / 17 effects controlled in one click with the Mystic Light APP or a mobile device.
- Professional IO cover & heatsink: Stunning looks, protecting the I/O ports
- EZ Debug LED: Easiest way to troubleshoot
- Lightning Fast Game experience: 3 x Turbo M.2 , 1 x M.2 Shield, and Lightning USB 3.1 Gen2
- Lightning USB: Double bandwidth, supports USB 3.1 Gen2 Type A + Type C
- PCI-E Steel Armor: Protecting VGA cards against bending and EMI
- X-Boost: Great tool to boost your USB & Storage performance
- Double ESD Protection: Double layer grounding motherboard mounting holes
- Military Class 6, Guard-Pro: Latest evolution in high quality components for best protection and efficiency
- Click BIOS 5: Award-winning BIOS with high resolution scalable font, favorites and search function
- VR Ready: Best virtual reality game experience without latency, reduces motion sickness
The cost and actual release date were not provided by MSI, but it should be listed for sale soon at the usual places.
Subject: Motherboards | October 5, 2017 - 12:35 AM | Tim Verry
Tagged: X399, tr4, Threadripper, gigabyte, designare EX
Gigabyte has introduced the X399 Designare EX, a decked out ATX motherboard with silver colored armor (including a large backplate) and a blue LED overlay over the PCH. The X399 motherboard is based on the same platform as the already launched Aorus X399 Gaming 7, but with a silver-metallic aesthetic and toned-down LEDs (though you can add RGB LED strips via headers.
The X399 Designare EX surrounds the Threadripper TR4 socket with eight DIMM slots and an eight phase VRM setup with server grade chokes that pulls power from a set of 8-pin and 4-pin 12V EPS connectors. The power phases are covered by heatsinks connected by a heatpipe with the heatsink sitting behind the rear I/O including a small fan for active cooling (which should help ensure some airflow for the VRMs if you are watercooling). Interestingly the IO plate for the rear IO is part of the motherboard rather than being a separate piece that comes in the box. A large backplate ensures the board will not warp over time even with large and heavy CPU coolers and graphics cards installed.
The motherboard has five PCI-E x16 slots (x16/x8/x16/x8 for 4-way GPU configurations) and three M.2 slots with heatspreaders (two in between the PCI-E slots and one below the PCH heatsink). Storage also includes 8 SATA 6 Gbps ports (four from CPU, and four from chipset). USB includes two USB 3.1 Gen 2, 10 USB 3.1 Gen 1, and USB 2.0 ports via headers. On board chipsets include Intel-based 802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.2, and two Gigabyte Ethernet (Intel i211AT) NICs. As for audio, the X399 Designare EX uses the Realtek ALC 1220 (120 dBA SNR) chipset paired with high end WIMA and Nichicon caps, Op Amps, and ground layer isolation. There are 9 temperature sensor headers and 8 fan headers for air or water gear.
Gigabyte has not yet released pricing or availability but I would expect it to be at least $430. Personally, I am a fan of the design of this board and it should at least look good in builds! As for stock performance, overclocking support, and CMOS battery placement we will have to wait for the reviews!