Podcast #459 - Threadripper Pricing, Liquid Cooled VEGA, Intel Rumors, and more!

Subject: General Tech | July 20, 2017 - 11:53 AM |
Tagged: zenbook, z270, wireless charging, water cooling, VR, video, Vega, TSMC, thermaltake, SILVIA, podcast, Pacific, Oculus, Kabby Lake-R, corsair, Contac, asus, amd

PC Perspective Podcast #459 - 07/20/17

Join us for Threadripper Pricing, Liquid Cooled VEGA, Intel Rumors, and more!

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Hosts: Ryan Shrout, Jeremy Hellstrom, Josh Walrath, Allyn Malventano

Peanut Gallery: Ken Addison, Alex Lustenberg, Jim Tanous

Program length: 1:46:03

 
Podcast topics of discussion:
  1. Week in Review:
  2. News items of interest:
  3. Hardware/Software Picks of the Week
    1. 1:36:30 Jeremy: Deal on a Ryzen 7 1700
    2. 1:41:04 Allyn: Still using WMC? You need EPG123!
  4. Closing/outro

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A splash of water can open it up; ASUS' ROG Poseidon GTX 1080 Ti Platinum

Subject: Graphics Cards | July 13, 2017 - 01:19 PM |
Tagged: ROG Poseidon GTX 1080 Ti Platinum, gtx 1080 ti, asus, water cooling, factory overclocked

We have seen the test results that ASUS' Poseidon GTX 1080 Ti can manage on air cooling and now it is time to revist the card when it is watercooled.  [H]ard|OCP attached the card to a Koolance Exos Liquid Cooling System Model EX2-755 and fired up the system to benchmark it.  The difference is immediately noticeable, the minimum clock on watercooling almost matches the highest clock seen on air cooling, with an average observed frequency of 2003MHz, 2076MHz once they manually overclocked.  This did translate into better gameplay and significantly lower operating temperatures which you can see in detail here.

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"It’s time to let the liquid flow and put the ASUS ROG Poseidon GTX 1080 Ti Platinum Edition to the ultimate test. We will connect a Koolance Liquid Cooling System and test GPU frequency, gaming performance, and push the video card as hard as possible for its best overclock. Let’s find out what a little liquid can do for a GTX 1080 Ti."

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Source: [H]ard|OCP

Computex 2017: Phanteks Puts the Tower in Tower Style Cases With SFF Evolv Shift and Shift X

Subject: Cases and Cooling | June 4, 2017 - 11:04 AM |
Tagged: water cooling, SFX-L, SFF, phanteks, mini ITX, htpc, evolv shift x, evolv shift

Phanteks Project 217 prototype case is finally official and will be known as the Evolv Shift and Evolv Shift X. Both are small form factor cases that feature a unique tower design that has the approximate footprint of a large graphics card, but manages to fit quite a bit of hardware inside by building up rather than out. The skyscraper style cases measure 6.7” wide and 10.63” deep. The Evplv Shift is the shorter of the two at 18.9” tall while the Evolv Shift X is 25.9”. The Mini ITX cases are constructed from a powder coated steel frame, aluminum cover panels, and tempered glass side panels.

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HardwareCanucks shot video of the new SFF cases!

The Evolv Shift and Shift X both have black aluminum insides and a silver aluminum front panel. There are fam vents around the edges of the front panel and two USB 3.0 ports tucked away on the side. The top of the case covers the motherboard I/O and has a cutout in the back for routing the I/O cables out of the case - on the Shift X this piece is also aluminum but on the Shift it is plastic to cut costs. The two tempered glass side panels and front and back panels are held on by thumbscrews to allow for easy removal to work on the build. Being able to take all four sides off should make to easier to build in the small space.

Other case features include removable case feet that enables you to lay the case horizontally on one of its two sides (so you can show off the CPU side or GPU side), dust filters up front, and separation of the two front fans and compartments so that one can be an intake and the other exhaust if you wish. For such a small case there is quite a njt of cable management going o with rubber grommets and horizontal cable tracks (with a magnetic door for easy access) to hid away your cables and pass them from the PSU compartment to the motherboard compartment). Interestingly the GPU is mounted vertically and the bracket can be rotated and adjusted left and right so that you can choose to see the back of the graphics card or (finally!!) the front of the card with the artwork -- that’s right a case that lets you see and show off the stickers and cooler of your graphics card! (hehe, it has always irked me they put the artwork on the part of thr GPU you usually never see once it's in the case.)

Internally, the case is divided into two main areas with the power supply on bottom along with room for water cooling pumps and reservoirs and the motherboard, processor, and graphics cards stacked on top of the PSU area. The Evolv Shift and Evolv Shift X both support small form factor power supplies (SFX and SFX-L), Mini ITX motherboards, and even large graphics card thanks to the riser cable and vertical mounting. The larger Shift X can also hold ATX PSUs with the caveat that you have to give up the PSU shroud.

Cooling support includes air and water coolers with up to three 120mm or 140mm fans up front and one 120mm or 140mm fan in the bottom. The case will come with two 140mm fans out of the box.

As far as storage is concerned the case had room for two 2.5” drives and either one 3.5” drive on the Shift or two 3.5” drives on the Shift X.

Oh, and there is also an included RGB controller if you want to add a bit of bling to your dual windowed skyscraper PC.

The Evolv Shift and Evolv Shift X are coming later this year for $110 and $160 respectively.

These look to be very unique cases that will look good on a desk or even in the living room as a home theater PC. I am looking forward to the reviews on these as I am curious how well the case can keep high end components cool and how easy they are to build a system in.

Computex 2017: Lian-Li Launching AIO Liquid Coolers With Raw Copper Radiators

Subject: Cases and Cooling | June 3, 2017 - 06:01 PM |
Tagged: water cooling, Lian-Li, LCS, copper radiator, copper, computex, cinsys, AIO

Guru3D made an interesting find at Lian-Li's Computex booth this year where they managed to take photos of a new all in one (AIO) liquid cooler that sports an all copper loop. Specifically, the company was showing off a new Lian-Li branded liquid cooler from Cinsys with a 240mm radiator. The "X-R240 Expandable water cooling heat radiating system" features a raw copper radiator surrounded by a metal shroud (reportedly aluminum) that houses 120mm fan mounts and a pump, large removable tubing, and a thin nickel plated copper CPU water block.

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Lian-Li X-R240 expandable water cooler. (Image credit: Guru3D)

Looking at the photos from Guru3D, the Lian-Li X-R240 AIO certainly looks classy and should perform fairly well with the copper block and copper radiator (which is nice to see in an AIO where aluminum is common). The large tubing appears to be fairly long enabling the radiator to be placed up to or in the front of a mid-tower case, though I am curious how flexible it will be in a smaller case in tight quarters (if I am remembering my watercooling correctly, the larger diameter should mean it will be less likely to kink though). Further, it looks like the tubing is removable and users will be able to expand the loop to add additional blocks and/or radiators which is nice though you should be careful to avoid adding non-copper (aluminum/silver/ect) components to the Lian-Li loop. Angled and/or swivel barbs on the CPU blocks would have been nice as well since the straight barbs on the thin CPU block could make installation more difficult.

The raw copper is a nice aesthetic touch, though once it is installed in your case and sitting behind fans it is going to be hard to see and Guru3D does note that over time the copper will oxidize and discolor. Still, it might be useful for modders to get that steam punk look and feel. Thankfully it looks like there is plastic (and maybe foam) separating the copper radiator from the aluminum shell/shroud though it's less of an issue since the outside of the radiator isn't going to be submerged in water (hopefully!).

The company will reportedly be releasing other models beyond the 240mm shown at Computex presumably by the same OEM (Cinsys). A 360mm radiator and some GPU blocks would be nice to see! Hopefully Morry or Sebastian can get one in for testing soon!

What are your thoughts on Lian-Li using raw copper? Do you prefer plated copper?

Source: Guru3D

FSP introduces the new Hydro PTM+ liquid cooled PSU

Subject: Cases and Cooling, Shows and Expos | May 23, 2017 - 03:28 PM |
Tagged: FSP Group, water cooling, modular psu, Hydro PTM+, 80 Plus Platinum PSU, kilowatt, computex

FSP will be showing off several new products at Computex but the most interesting, by far, is a watercooled PSU called the Hydro PTM+.  Under normal operations this is a 1200W modular PSU with an 80 PLUS Platinum rating, but include it in a cooling loop and it will provide up to 1400W of power.  It can also be run silently up to 50% load, so if you only need ~600W this might still be of use if you are attempting a silent build and yes, there are LEDs on the PSU.  Hopefully we can see some more revealing pictures from Computex with the internal layout exposed.

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They will also be showing off the world's smallest 850W PSU, the 80 Plus Platinum certified FLEX as well as a not so petite 1600W 80 Plus Platinum PSU for servers and the more extreme of us.  Along with those PSUs they are introducing the The ERK, or Easy Redundant Kit, which allows you to hook up two independent PSUs which don't normally support redundancy and rely on them just as if they were.  Check out the full PR below.

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May 23, Taipei, Taiwan – FSP, one of the leading manufacturers of power supplies in the world is pleased to unveil its focus on delivering continued performance at Computex 2017. FSP’s new power and gaming solutions were developed in cooperation with industry partners, and in the IoT world, the keywords Smart and Inter-operability are reflected in the IoT products on display allow customers to take control from anywhere in the world. Also, Computex gives a look at how FSP’s unique redundancy solutions can create products that can span various segments with customer focus in mind.

FSP introduces the new Hydro PTM+ liquid cooled PSU.
The Hydro PTM+ is a unique, and patented liquid cooled PSU created in cooperation with Bitspower, a renowned creator of liquid cooling solutions for PCs, to meet the highest security and safety standards. The Hydro PTM+ is the world's first mass produced liquid cooled PSU with 80 Plus Platinum certificated, with gorgeous LED lighting it combines great looks with amazing performance. The unique liquid cooling system, once enabled, increases the power rating from 1200W to 1400W. But, with an array of integrated sensors, the Hydro PTM+ also excels at efficiency, when running in silent mode (below 50% load) it still delivers 600W without the use of a fan for cooling, and thus it remains in complete silence.

FSP industrial solutions, powering the smart world.
With the industry focus rapidly shifting to IoT, FSP is on the forefront of working with advanced industry partners to provide power products that integrate easily into a wide range of smart IoT solutions. With Big Data a key for IoT energy management, FSP is ahead of the curve by providing power supplies with PoE, PMBus, and USB communication interfaces that help collect vital data such as fan speeds, wattage, voltage, current, alert and load status.

This data helps manage and size solutions and increase up-time and productivity, especially in iFactory, smart manufacturing solutions, intelligent logistics, and smart transportation.

World Smallest 80 Plus Platinum 850W FLEX PSU
Another great innovation by FSP is the world smallest 80 Plus Platinum certified 850W FLEX PSU. Also in the IoT solution area, you can find the 1600W 80 Plus Platinum certified Intel CRPS PSU, with Current Sharing and Cold Redundancy for amazing efficiency in the data center. Next to that, are the modular, but full voltage input DIN rail PSUs that can perfectly support a wide variety of IoT devices electrical demands.

Easy redundant kit, a unique approach to redundancy
The ERK, Easy Redundant Kit, is a versatile backup solution for entry-level systems that require 24/7 up-time from their power solution. Differing from traditional and expensive redundancy options, the ERK is a unique external DC-DC module which allows operators to create redundancy by combining two traditional non-redundant PSUs with the ERK. This brilliant product offers the best flexibility when choosing power design solutions.

 

Source: FSP

Introduction and Specifications

Fractal Design is well known in PC enthusiast circles for their excellent cases, and they also entered the self-contained liquid CPU cooler market in 2014 with the Kelvin, and today are releasing a brand new cooler lineup called Celsius. There are two models being introduced, with the 360 mm Celsius S36 and the 240 mm Celsius S24; the latter of which we have for review today.

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While on the surface this might appear to be a standard 240 mm all-in-one liquid CPU cooler, there are some key features that help to differentiate the Celsius lineup in an increasingly saturated market. The hoses (themselves flexible rubber in nice-looking sleeves) are attached at both ends with metal fittings, with the radiator side the standard (and removable) G1/4 variety, and the fans connect via an unusual radiator-mounted header that receives power via a hidden fan cable in one of the sleeved hoses. Additionally, the Celsius coolers offer a dual-mode setting with the choice of automatic fan control or PWM passthrough from the motherboard - and this is controlled via a clever switch built into the trim ring around the pump.

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I have been impressed with the low noise of Fractal Design fans in the past, and I went into this review expecting a very quiet cooling experience. How did the Celsius S24 fare on the test bench? Read on to find out!

Continue reading our review of the Fractal Design Celsius S24 Liquid CPU Cooler!

Introduction and Technical Specifications

Introduction

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Alphacool NexXxos Cool Answer 360 D5/UT kit
Courtesy of Alphacool

Alphacool is a German-based company, known in liquid cooling enthusiast's circles for their high performance and innovative product designs. Alphacool provided us with one of their NexXxos Cool Answer cooling kits, featuring one of their 360mm (3 x 120mm) UT copper radiators, a Repack dual bay acrylic reservoir with integrated VPP655 D5 pump, and the NexXxos XP3 Light CPU block. With a retail price of 314.95 euros (approximately $330 USD), the kit comes at a competitive price compared with other higher-end DIY kits.

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5.25 Dual Bay Reservoir
Courtesy of Alphacool

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NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 360mm radiator
Courtesy of Alphacool

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NexXxos XP3 Light CPU Waterblock
Courtesy of Alphacool

XSPC bundled in many of their high end components into the NexXxos Cool Answer 360 D5/UT kit, including the NexXxos XP3 Light CPU block, the NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper 360mm triple fan radiator, the Repack 5.25 Dual Bay reservoir with integrated VPP655 D5 pump, three meters of 10mm (3/8") inner diameter / 13mm outer diameter clear tubing, six black chrome compression barbs, three 1200 RPM NB-eLoop - Bionic Lüfter fans, 1000ml of their CKC Cape Kelvin Catcher Clear coolant, and all the hardware necessary to put it all together. The Repack dual-bay reservoir has an anti-cyclon design on the inlets and directly feeds the rear-mounted D5 pump. The included VPP655 D5 pump is rated for a 350ml/hr flow rate. All components are copper, brass, Acetal, or acrylic to minimize the possibility of mixed-metal corrosion occurring in the loop.

Continue reading our review of the Alphacool NexXxos Cool Answer 360 D5/UT water cooling kit!

Manufacturer: EKWB

Introduction and Technical Specifications

Introduction

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Courtesy of EKWB

EK's Supremacy line of CPU waterblocks are well known for their performance and style. Their latest version in this block line, the Supremacy MX, advances their design in the hopes of getting more optimized performance out of a less costly version of their award winning block series. The base Supremacy MX CPU waterblock is a copper and plexi construction using the same jet-impingement and micro-channel design as that used in their previous block versions. The block comes fully assembled from the factory with a single CPU mounting bracket type (in this case, the Intel version). Note that additional CPU mounting kits are available for purchase. With an MSRP of $54.99, the Supremacy MX waterblock offers a compelling purchase in light of its performance potential.

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The block is assembled with hex-head screws going through the copper base plate with rubber grommets ensuring the integrity of the block internals. The top aluminum cover plate is held to the plexi top using short hex-head screws that thread directly into the plexi top plate. The center inlet feeds the micro-channels embedded in the copper base plate through the jet-impingement assembly. The mounting bracket sits in between the top plexi plate and the copper base plate, making any an interesting upgrade if you want to switch out the CPU mount plate to use the block on a different CPU family (like going from Intel to AMD Ryzen for example). The aluminum top plate gives the block a sleek appearance and acts to redirect illumination from the side mounted LEDs (if you choose to use LEDs with the block that is).

Continue reading our review of the EK Supremacy MX CPU waterblock!

Manufacturer: Alphacool

Introduction and Technical Specifications

Introduction

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Courtesy of Alphacool

Earlier this year, Alphacool launched their "Eis" series of products, a collection of high performance liquid cooling products improving upon their existing products. The Eisblock XPX CPU water block introduces a new internal design compared with their previous NexXxOS block series, updating the internal design with an optimized jet impingement-fed micro-channel system. The block consists of a nickel-plated copper square base plate and an acetal top with an aluminum cover plate and an illuminated logo. The block offers compatibility with all current CPU socket types, including the Intel LGA2011 and LGA1150 and the AMD AM4 sockets.

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The block is held together with screws going through the nickel-plated base plate with a snap-on top cover. Use of a snap-on aluminum top cover gives the block a sleek appearance. Further, it allows for easy customization of the embedded LED color not to mention the top cover color by switching out the top cover plate without interfering with the block internals. Alphacool offers a variety of top cover plates and customization kits for the Eisblock XPX water block to match virtually any system theme setup. With an approximate MSRP of $73 US, the Eisblock XPX is at price parity with other high-end water block offerings.

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Courtesy of Alphacool

The Eisblock XPX waterblock comes standard with hardware supporting all current generation Intel and AMD processors, including the AMD Ryzen AM4 socket. The block's support brackets snap in place in channels along the lower sides of the block, making for easy customization of the block for different processor and socket types if necessary.

Technical Specifications (taken from the manufacturer websites)

Water Block Specifications
Manufacturer Alphacool
Dimensions (LxWxH) 65 x 65 x 30mm
Threads 2 x G1/4"
Tested Pressure 2 Bar
Material cooling plate Copper
Material top cover Aluminum / Acetal
Socket Compatibility Intel
775 / 1156 / 1155 / 1150 / 1151 / 2011 / 2011-3

AMD
AM2 /AM2+ /AM3 /AM3+ / FM1 / FM2 / FM2+ / AM4

Continue reading our review of the Alphacool Eisblock XPX CPU waterblock!

CES 2017: Phanteks Unleashes Massive Elegant Enthoo Elite Case

Subject: Cases and Cooling | January 7, 2017 - 08:45 PM |
Tagged: phanteks, Enthoo, enthoo elite, CES, CES 2017, E-ATX Case, water cooling

Phanteks unveiled the massive yet stylish Enthoo Elite this week at a squarely premium price point of $899. Available in black and grey, the Enthoo Elite has a net weight of 72 pounds and measures 29.5” x 10.5” x 24.2” (HxWxD). The case features a steel frame with 4mm sand blasted aluminum panels and a large 4mm thick tempered glass side window along with rounded edges and a curved bottom that shows off the RGB ambient lighting along the right side of the front panel and bottom of the case. 

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Front IO is hidden behind a panel on the front of the case and includes:

  • 4 x USB 3.0
  • 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C
  • 1 x HDMI
  • 2 x Headphone
  • 2 x Microphone
  • Power/Reset
  • RGB LED control wheel.
    • The lights can be controlled by RGB LED motherboards or Phantek’s own controller.

The case has support for E-ATX motherboards, six 2.5” drive mounts (4 brackets included), 13 3.5” mounts (6 included brackets), an optional 5.25” bay, a hidden PSU compartment, and behind the motherboard tray space (35mm wide) for cable management along with a 94mm wide compartment for storing cable slack and unused cables.

Phanteks includes metal panels that can be placed to hide cabling around the motherboard tray as well as cover up the GPU area. Graphics cards and other expansion cards can even be installed vertically (four slots, one included riser cable) with the included bracket.

Cooling support amounts to whatever your imagination wants really, with support for up to five 480mm radiators along with a 140mm rear radiator. Further, there is a reservoir mount to the right of the motherboard area and two pump mounts in the bottom compartment in front of the power supply area.

For air cooling, Phanteks includes five of its “premium” 140mm fans (they don’t list exact models) and users can add a ton more if they so desire. Phanteks does include two of its PWM hubs which allow users to control multiple fans from a single PWM fan motherboard header though if you max out the number of fans you should probably look into a dedicated fan controller so that you can control the fan speeds individually or in smaller groups (the hubs run all the fans at the same speed though that speed is variable depending on the PWM signal it gets from the motherboard).

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There are reportedly several modular parts that users can change up to meet their build needs such as removable panels to reduce noise, a replaceable side panel, a side radiator mount, removable 5.25” bay, allegedly dust proof intakes, and other odds and ends. 

If you choose to go with the vertical expansion card mount, you are limited to 4 slots, but if you go with the traditional horizontal mounting, the case supports 10 PCI slots. CPU coolers can be up to 210mm tall and graphics cards are effectively not limited (Phanteks only says “full size GPU support” but with the case being 24.2” deep, you can pretty much use any GPU released today.)

The Phanteks Enthoo Elite will be up for pre-order soon and will start shipping within the next month or two for a very much premium $899 price tag. The the price is steep, but the case certainly looks the part and enthusiasts will definitely be able to create some crazy water cooled builds in this monster! 

If you are interested in the case, PC World managed to snag several pictures of it at CES with systems built inside of it.

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Source: Phanteks