Who is this for, anyway?
Today is a critically important day for AMD. With the launch of reviews and the on-sale date for its new Ryzen Threadripper processor family, AMD is reentering the world of high-end consumer processors that it has been absent from for a decade, if not longer. Intel has dominated this high priced, but high margin, area of the market since the release of the Core i7-900 series of Nehalem CPUs in 2008, bringing workstation and server class hardware down to the content creator and enthusiast markets. Even at that point AMD had no competitive answer, with only the Phenom X4 in our comparison charts. It didn’t end well.
AMD has made no attempt of stealth with the release of Ryzen Threadripper, instead adopting the “tease and repeat” campaign style that Radeon has utilized in recent years for this release. The result of which is an already-knowledgeable group of pre-order ready consumers; not a coincidence. Today I will summarize the data we already know for those of you just joining us and dive into the importance of the new information we can provide today. That includes interesting technical details on the multi-die implementation and latency, overclocking, thermals, why AMD has a NUMA/UMA issue, gaming performance and of course, general system and workload benchmarks.
A Summary of Threadripper
AMD has been pumping up interest and excitement for Ryzen Threadripper since May, with an announcement of the parts at the company’s financial analyst day. It teased 16 cores and 32 threads of performance for a single consumer socket, something that we had never seen before. At Computex, Jim Anderson got on stage and told us that each Threadripper processor would have access to 64 lanes of PCI Express, exceeding the 40 lanes of Intel’s top HEDT platforms and going well above the 28 lanes that the lower end of its family offers.
In mid-July the official announcement of the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X and 1920X occurred, with CEO Lisa Su and CVP John Taylor having the honors. This announcement broke with most of the important information including core count, clock speeds, pricing, and a single performance benchmark (Cinebench). On July 24th we started to see pictures of the Threadripper packaging show up on AMD social media accounts, getting way more attention than anyone expected a box for a CPU could round up. At the end of July AMD announced a third Threadripper processor (due in late August). Finally, on August 3rd, I was allowed to share an unboxing of the review kit and the CPU itself as well as demonstrate the new installation method for this sled-based processor.
It’s been a busy summer.
Subject: Processors | August 8, 2017 - 03:01 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, Threadripper, water cooling, lapping
It has been a long time since lapping was a requirement to get the best cooling for your new processor, however it might be making a comeback. Threadripper is endowed with a larger heatsink than your average CPU and to help you accommodate that the chip contains an Asetek mounting bracket which is compatible with most AiO coolers. The bracket and size of the heatspreader do seem to exacerbate any curvature of the coldplate however, the Asetek AiO which [H]ard|OCP tested needed to be lapped for a proper mating.
Since they had some difficulty with AiO coolers, [H] decided to configure their own watercooler for Threadripper. They grabbed an old Koolance water block they had handy and with a bit of time and a $10 trip to a hardware store they ended up with a much better solution. Take peek at the process, especially if you happen to have parts lying around that you want to put back to use.
"What do you do when you don't have the proper parts that you need to water cool your new thread ripper? Make you own with trash you find around the house. Maybe even repurpose and old water block that is in your closet."
Here are some more Processor articles from around the web:
- Ryzen 3: The Ultimate Gaming Benchmark Guide @ Techspot
- 0+ Segmentation Faults Per Hour: Continuing To Stress Ryzen @ Phoronix
- AMD Ryzen 3 1200 & Ryzen 3 1300X Linux Performance @ Phoronix
- Ryzen 7 1700 vs. Core i7-7820X: 8-Core Royal Rumble @ Techspot
Subject: General Tech | August 4, 2017 - 12:44 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, ryzen, Threadripper, 1920, xfr, leak
Thanks to a few motherboard makers and some good eyes, we now know there will be a Threadripper part without support for AMD's eXtended Frequency Range. The slightly lower frequencies, 3.2-3.8GHz and lack of XFR suggest this part will sell for less than the $800 which the 1920X is slated to be released at. This should not mean the chip will not benefit from any of the features of XFR, only that the frequency increments will be larger and less reactive than on an XFR chip, as Tim explained a while back. There is a benefit to that lack as well, the TDP drops 40W to 140W. This is a leak so it is possible some of the information is wrong; however it was found in several different places and looks to have been posted accidentally as opposed to release to fuel rumours so it is quite likely the information you can see over at PCWorld is accurate.
"Tweakers discovered the Threadripper 1920 listed on websites for Asus, Gigabyte, and ASRock. PCWorld was able to confirm the listing on Gigabyte and ASRock’s sites, though Asus has since scrubbed its support page for the $550 ROG Zenith Extreme entirely."
Here is some more Tech News from around the web:
- Lenovo Switches To Stock Android For All Future Smartphones @ Slashdot
- Raspberry Pi 3 slim sacrifices functionality for sized-down 7mm form @ The Inquirer
- WannaCry-slayer Marcus Hutchins 'built Kronos banking trojan' – FBI @ The Register
- Dumbo: Wikileaks reveals CIA tools used to hijack webcams and microphones @ The Inquirer
- Microsoft breaks Office 365 sign-in pages ahead of surprise update @ The Register
- Toshiba invests $1.76bn in flash fab production line, WD kinda peeved @ The Register
Subject: Cases and Cooling | August 3, 2017 - 08:41 PM | Scott Michaud
Tagged: noctua, amd, Threadripper, EPYC
Noctua has announced three new heatsinks for AMD’s new high-end CPU platforms, Threadripper and EPYC. If you’ve been following the company, or Morry’s motherboard reviews, then you know that these coolers are huge (and effective).
Apparently the main difference is the contact surface, 70mm x 56mm, to accommodate for the processor’s large package. AMD connects multiple dies together with their Infinity Fabric, which means a huge total surface area. The cooler comes in three sizes, corresponding to the fan that’s intended to be used with it: 140mm (NH-U14S TR4-SP3), 120mm (NH-U12S TR4-SP3), and 92mm (NH-U9S TR4-SP3).
The two “smallest” sizes, NH-U12S and NH-U9S, are both expected to retail for $69.90 USD, so I guess choose whichever makes the most sense for your system. The largest one, the NH-U14S, is $10 more expensive at $79.90 USD. They should be available by the end of the month.
Subject: General Tech | August 3, 2017 - 01:26 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, Threadripper, unboxing, angel hair
"We show you how "easily" the AMD Threadripper comes out of the box, and some hilarity ensues, and then we take you through the simple steps of Threadripper installation. I would consider this a PSA as well because I destroyed the socket on my TR4 motherboard."
Here is some more Tech News from around the web:
- MD Ryzen Threadripper 1950x and 1920x @ Kitguru
- Intel's Coffee Lake CPUs won't work with 200-Series motherboards @ The Inquirer
- Why the Bitcoin Network Just Split In Half and Why It Matters @ Slashdot
- How to Write iptables Rules for IPv6 @ Linux.com
- Qualcomm, Win Semi reportedly to team up for 5G mobile infrastructure @ DigiTimes
- Grab a fork! Unravelling the Internet of Things' standards spaghetti @ The Register
- In the red corner: Malware-breeding AI. And in the blue corner: The AI trying to stop it @ The Register
- AK Racing ONYX Deluxe Gaming Chair Review @ NikKTech
Subject: General Tech | August 3, 2017 - 12:00 PM | Alex Lustenberg
Tagged: podcast, wolfenstein, wdc, Vibe, Vega Nano, Threadripper, ryzen 3, radeon rx vega, QLC, htc, Fanatec, Clubsport lite elite, BiCS3, amd, video
PC Perspective Podcast #461 - 08/03/17
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Week in Review:
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Hardware/Software Picks of the Week
Subject: Processors | August 3, 2017 - 09:00 AM | Ryan Shrout
Tagged: Threadripper, ryzen, amd
Though we are a full week away from the release of the Ryzen Threadripper reviews, AMD is letting us share the installation process of the new TR4 socket, as well as an unboxing of the awesome kit that AMD put together for media and reviewers. Enjoy!
Subject: Processors | July 31, 2017 - 03:18 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: vega 64, vega 56, vega 10, Vega, radeon, amd, X399, Threadripper, ryzen, 1950x, 1920x, 1900x
Just in case you wanted to relive this weekends event, or you feel that somehow Ryan missed a detail when he was describing Threadripper or Vega, here is a roundup of other coverage of the event. The Tech Report contrast the Vega 64 and Vega 56 with a few older NVIDIA cards as well as more modern ones, giving you a sense of the recent evolution of the GPU. They also delve a bit into the pricing and marketing strategies which AMD has chosen, which you can check out here.
"AMD's Radeon RX Vega graphics cards are finally here in the form of the RX Vega 64 and RX Vega 56. Join us as we see what AMD's new high-end graphics cards have in store for gamers."
Here are some more Processor articles from around the web:
- AMD Radeon RX Vega GPU Specs and Pricing Revealed @ [H]ard|OCP
- AMD Radeon RX Vega Preview @ techPowerUp
- AMD Vega Microarchitecture Technical Overview @ techPowerUp
- AMD Ryzen Threadripper Specs and Pricing Revealed @ [H]ard|OCP
- AMD's Ryzen Threadripper 1950X, Threadripper 1920X, and Threadripper 1900X CPUs revealed @ The Tech Report
Subject: Cases and Cooling | July 31, 2017 - 01:49 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: nzxt, kraken, Kraken X62, Kraken X52, Kraken X61, Threadripper, amd
NZXT has announced that their three popular AiO watercoolers, the Kraken X62, Kraken X52, and Kraken X61 will be compatible with Threadripper, arriving soon to retailers.
NZXT has been working with AMD and created an adapter for SocketTR4 to allow you to use their cooler in your new system. The retention clip will be supplied by AMD, in the package the new CPUs. This is a good thing, considering the unique new way in which you install Threadripper processors. If you haven't seen the video demonstrating the installation process you can see it below.
Subject: Processors | July 30, 2017 - 10:30 PM | Ryan Shrout
Tagged: X399, Threadripper, ryzen, amd, 1950x, 1920x, 1900x
At SIGGRAPH in Los Angeles this week, AMD released even more details about the its upcoming Ryzen Threadripper product family ahead of its retail release in August. Though readers of PC Perspective are already well aware of the Threadripper 1950X and 1920X CPUs that were announced just a couple of weeks back, along with prices, clock speeds, performance estimates, and more. At tonight’s Capsaicin event, we learned about the on-sale, preorder date, and even a surprise new SKU option.
|i9-7980XE||i9-7960X||i9-7940X||i9-7920X||i9-7900X||i7-7820X||i7-7800X||TR 1950X||TR 1920X||TR 1900X|
|Base Clock||?||?||?||?||3.3 GHz||3.6 GHz||3.5 GHz||3.4 GHz||3.5 GHz||3.8 GHz|
|Turbo Boost 2.0||?||?||?||?||4.3 GHz||4.3 GHz||4.0 GHz||4.0 GHz||4.0 GHz||4.0 GHz|
|Turbo Boost Max 3.0||?||?||?||?||4.5 GHz||4.5 GHz||N/A||N/A||N/A||N/A|
|Cache||16.5MB (?)||16.5MB (?)||16.5MB (?)||16.5MB (?)||13.75MB||11MB||8.25MB||40MB||?||?|
|DDR4-2666 Quad Channel||DDR4-2666 Quad Channel|
|TDP||165 watts (?)||165 watts (?)||165 watts (?)||165 watts (?)||140 watts||140 watts||140 watts||180 watts||180 watts||180 watts?|
|TR 1950X||TR 1920X||TR 1900X||Ryzen 7 1800X||Ryzen 7 1700X||Ryzen 7 1700||Ryzen 5 1600X||Ryzen 5 1600||Ryzen 5 1500X||Ryzen 5 1400|
|Base Clock||3.4 GHz||3.5 GHz||3.8 GHz||3.6 GHz||3.4 GHz||3.0 GHz||3.6 GHz||3.2 GHz||3.5 GHz||3.2 GHz|
|Turbo/Boost Clock||4.0 GHz||4.0 GHz||4.0 GHz||4.0 GHz||3.8 GHz||3.7 GHz||4.0 GHz||3.6 GHz||3.7 GHz||3.4 GHz|
|DDR4-2666 Quad Channel||DDR4-2666 Quad Channel||DDR4-2400
|TDP||180 watts||180 watts||180 watts?||95 watts||95 watts||65 watts||95 watts||65 watts||65 watts||65 watts|
Let’s not bury the lead here: the Ryzen Threadripper 1900X is the third entrant into the Threadripper family and will consist of 8-cores, 16-threads, a base clock of 3.8 GHz and a Turbo clock of 4.0 GHz, while still supporting XFR for as much as 200 MHz of additional clock speed. It will still have 64 lanes of PCI Express, four channels of DDR4 memory support, and will come with a price tag of $549.
The 1900X becomes a very interesting part for a number of reasons. Its price puts it between the Core i7-7820X and the 7800X (8-core and 6-core parts from Intel’s Skylake-X family). Even with a base clock speed of 3.8 GHz it will find itself slower than the 7820X due to lower IPC and similar clock rates. However, AMD is counting on the appeal of 64 lanes of PCIe, countering the 28 lanes on the 7820X from Intel, along with a slight cost advantage, to help it shine. The 1900X will have the same core and thread count as the Ryzen 7 family, though at higher clock speeds, a higher TDP and double the DDR4 memory channels and more than 2x the PCIe lanes. For just $50-100 more, the 1900X is a compelling option against the 1800X if you are a connectivity, storage, or multi-GPU junkie.