Subject: General Tech | October 2, 2017 - 04:12 PM | Tim Verry
Tagged: X399, Threadripper, nvme raid, NVMe, amd, 960 PRO
A recent support page and community update posting suggest that NVMe RAID support is coming to Threadripper and the X399 platform imminently (as soon as motherboard manufacturers release an updated BIOS/UEFI). AMD will support up to six NVMe drives without adapters in a RAID 0, 1, or 10 array with all the drives wired directly to the PCI-E controller in the CPU rather than being routed through the chipset (meaning no DMI bottlenecking). There are no limits on the brand of drives and the NVMe RAID update is free with no hardware or software keys needed to unlock it.
NVMe SSDs are very fast on their own, but when combined in a RAID array directly wired to the CPU things really get interesting. AMD claims that it saw read speeds of 21.2 GB/s when reading from six Samsung 960 Pro 512 GB drives in a RAID 0 array! The company also saw near perfect scaling with their test array (when adding up to six drives over a single drive) with reads scaling 6x on reads and 5.38x on writes. Intel's VROC seems to have the theoretical performance advantage here with the ability to RAID more total drives (four per VMD and three VMDs per CPU) but only after purchasing a hardware key and when using more than one VMD it can't be a bootable OS array. When it comes to bootable arrays, AMD would appear to have the upper hand with free support for up to six drives that can be used to run your bootable OS array! Windows has never booted faster! (heh)
Along with its partners releasing BIOS updates, AMD is releasing updates to its NVMe RAID Driver (version 17.50) and RAIDXpert2 Windows management ultility. Currently, Windows 10 x64 build 1703 is officially supported and fresh installs of Windows are recommended (and if you are currently running your Windows OS off of a RAID array a fresh install is required).
Once BIOS updates are available (and they are coming shortly), users will have to jump through a few hoops to get a NVMe RAID up and running, but those hoops may just be worth it for enthusiasts wanting the best storage performance! For one, if you have a RAID array (bootable or not) you will not be able to do an in-place upgrade. If you have a SATA RAID you must back up your data and break down the array before updating the UEFI/BIOS and installing the Windows driver. Further, if your existing array is bootable with your operating system installed on it you will need to back up your data, upgrade the BIOS, and perform a fresh install of Windows with the AMD supplied F6 driver. After upgrading the BIOS, there will be a new menu item (the exact name will vary by manufacturer but SATA Mode and SATA Configuration are likely suspects) where users will need to change the mode from SATA or AHCI to RAID.
Oh, and did I mention to back up your data before diving into this? NVMe RAID support for Threadripper is a long-awaited feature and has a lot of promise with Threadripper offering up 64 PCI-E lanes and, according to AMD, many boards offering 7 slots (6 with a graphics card) which is where AMD is getting the six drive support number. It is appears that using adapters like the Asus Hyper M.2 cards or DIMM.2 slots would allow users to go past that six drive limit though.
NVMe RAID support on X399 / Threadripper is a feature we are in the process of testing now (see comments) and I am very interested in what the results are! Stay tuned for more information as it develops!
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- Triple M.2 Samsung 950 Pro Z170 PCIe NVMe RAID Tested - Why So Snappy?
Subject: Cases and Cooling | September 19, 2017 - 03:59 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: XSPC, water cooler, Threadripper, RayStorm Neo, Bykski, amd, A-RYZEN-Th-X
[H]ard|OCP have been hard at work testing a variety of Threadripper compatible AIO watercoolers, sometimes with their own adapters as these products are very new. They just revisited the XSPC RayStorm Neo which performed exceptionally and also note that the retail version will not feature mounting for AM4 processors. The second waterblock they tested was the Bykski A-RYZEN-Th-X, not a familiar name but also a very effective choice for cooling ThreadRipper processors. Take a look at the testing process as well as their recommended methods for properly spreading thermal paste on AMD's new big silicon.
"We have been waiting for AMD Threadripper CPU custom cooling parts to make their way to us. We have our first two purpose-built Threadripper waterblocks from XSPC and Bykski. We put both these coolers to the test with our 4GHz overclocked Threadripper in hour long stress tests to see how our temperatures fare."
Here are some more Cases & Cooling reviews from around the web:
- Keeping Intel Core X-Series CPUs Cool With Noctua Air Cooling @ Phoronix
- Reeven Naia 240 AIO Cooler @ Modders-Inc
- FSP Windale 4 @ techPowerUp
- SilverStone Case Storage Series CS350 @ Phoronix
- Riotoro Prism CR1280 Full Tower RGB @ Guru3D
- Silverstone Kublai KL07 @ techPowerUp
- BitFenix Nova TG PC Case @ Guru3D
- Raijintek PAEAN Case @ Modders-Inc
Subject: Motherboards | September 13, 2017 - 03:53 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, msi, X399, Threadripper, GAMING PRO CARBON AC
MSI have added a GAMING PRO CARBON AC motherboard to their X399 offerings for AMD's ThreadRipper. The exceptional socket makes the ATX board look a little disproportionate compared to previous members of this motherboard family but there is still a lot of space on the board. There are four PCIe Express x16 Gen 3 slots along with two 1x slots, three M.2 ports and an impressive array of USB ports including two USB 3.1 Gen. 2 Type-C ports, a single USB 3.1 Gen. 3 Type-A and nine USB 3.1 Gen.1 Type-A ports. The Guru of 3D provides benchmarks and overclocking results in their full review.
"Let's check out another Ryzen Threadripper motherboard. We review the one from MSI as they have released their X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC. The board is stylish, comes with very subtle LED effects and obviously offers everything you need from quadruple x16 PCI-Express slots, triple M2 SSD slots, quad-channel memory and some really supreme AC WIFI."
Here are some more Motherboard articles from around the web:
- ASRock X399 Tachi @ Guru3D
- MSI X299 Tomahawk Arctic @ Modders-Inc
- ASUS Prime X299-Deluxe @ Kitguru
- Gigabyte X299 AORUS Ultra Gaming @ Modders-Inc
- MSI X299 Gaming M7 ACK @ Kitguru
- ASRock X299 Gaming i9 @ techPowerUp
Subject: Cases and Cooling | September 12, 2017 - 02:57 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, Threadripper, ryzen 7, AM4, XSPC RayStorm
The question is if installing the XSPC RayStorm Threadripper waterblock on an AM4 actually improves your systems thermals. [H]ard|OCP tested out the difficulty of the installation process and the performance of the cooler on a Ryzen 7 1700X overclocked to 4GHz. The mounting worked exactly as advertised, mating perfectly with the AM4 processor; the performance on the other hand demonstrates the advantage of using coolers specifically designed for your processor.
"If you could mount your Threadripper custom cooling waterblock on your socket AM4 Ryzen 7 CPU, wouldn't you? Of course the answer is yes. However, the results turned out a bit different than we thought those might."
Here are some more Cases & Cooling reviews from around the web:
- Game Max Iceberg 240mm Liquid Cooler @ Kitguru
- Swiftech Apogee SKF "Heirloom Series" CPU Water Block @ techPowerUp
- Thermaltake View 27 Snow Gull-Wing @ [H]ard|OCP
- CRYORIG H7 Quad Lumi @ techPowerUp
- Be quiet! Shadow Rock TF 2 CPU Cooler Review @ NikKTech
- Gigabyte ATC700 AORUS CPU cooler @ Guru3D
- Corsair Commander Pro: fan, lighting, temperature control w/ Link @ Kitguru
- Rosewill ORBIT-Z1 @ techPowerUp
- Fractal Design Meshify C @ Guru3D
- Mean:IT 5PM LUM RED Case @ Modders-Inc
- Game Max Moonstone (Tempered Glass w/ RGB Fans) Case @ Kitguru
Subject: General Tech | August 31, 2017 - 12:38 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: amd, Threadripper, 1900x, X399
We knew about the Threadripper 1900X back in July, but it did not arrive at the same time that the other two models did; AMD waited until today. The official specifications do not differ from the pre-launch specifications, though we have confirmation the TDP is 180W and the cache is 20MB. [H]ard|OCP describes it as a Ryzen 7 with the benefits of the X399 platform, a good way to quickly understand what this processor is. [H] posted the slideshow as well as positing some usage scenarios in their article, which you can see here.
"Today AMD rolls out what is not a very well kept secret, the Ryzen Threadripper model 1900X CPU. There is no doubt that Threadripper has already been a success for AMD, but how exactly does does an 8-core Threadripper fit into High End Desktop (HEDT) world of processors and platforms? The user profile is fairly skinny."
Here is some more Tech News from around the web:
- Why Memory Prices Are Heating Up @ EE Times
- Palm Devices Are Coming In 2018 Without WebOS, Says Report @ Slashdot
- Google is already working on Android P @ The Inquirer
- AMD and Baidu Join Forces to Advance GPU Computing in the Datacenter with Radeon Instinct MI Series @ NASDAQ
- Western Digital continues buying spree by snapping up Tegile @ The Register
- Huge Apple news CONFIRMED. Software deal with Accenture is official @ The Register
Subject: Processors | August 24, 2017 - 12:43 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: XSPC, amd, Threadripper, overclocking, Raystorm
For those convinced that the Threadripper is being held back by poorly endowed partners, [H]ard|OCP received the new XSPC RayStorm which has a cold plate as large as Threadrippers heatspreader. As you can see from the picture, new habits will need to e learned when spreading the TIM on such a large area so keep an eye out for tips or carefully experiment on your own. The heatsink let [H] reach a solid 4GHz on all 16 cores with a 3200MHz memory clock, at significantly lower voltages than Ryzen required to reach the same frequency. Even better news is that this is not the limit, [H] intends to test again using a more powerful radiator and expects to see an even better overclock.
"XSPC got us over one of its first waterblocks specifically designed to help handle Ryzen Threadripper CPU's heat while overclocking. We give you a quick unboxing, break down the block itself, and then we look at Threadripper long-term performance. We finally get it dialed in at 4GHz."
Here are some more Processor articles from around the web:
Subject: Cases and Cooling | August 11, 2017 - 05:45 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: X399, watercooling, Threadripper, EK Supremacy EVO, amd
EK Waterblocks have announced the EK Supremacy EVO full cover waterblock and cold plate for the new AMD Threadripper processors. You have your choice of Nickel, Acetal and Nickel or Full Nickel models, depending on your preference.
You can order it now, they will not start shipping until August 18th and EK will be honouring preorders first, if that is your type of thing. The Supremacy EVO will be large enough to cover the entire heatspreader on the Threadripper so you will not need adapters or various interesting techniques to make sure your new processor will stay cool. Inside are 52 grooves with a spacing of 0.25mm apart, making use of that extra space. Hopefully we will soon receive some for testing; at least Morry certainly hopes so!
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Subject: Processors | August 10, 2017 - 03:55 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: Zen, X399, Threadripper, ryzen, amd, 1950x, 1920x
When you look at the results Ryan posted, it was clear that when it comes to video rendering and other content creation it is AMD's chip which comes out ahead in performance, and at a better price point that Intel's Core i9. Don't just take our word for it, many others reviewed the new chips, including [H]ard|OCP. Their results agree, showing that the only advantage Intel has is in single threaded applications, in which case the frequency of the 4.6GHz Intel part can outpace the 4GHz Threadripper. Those picking up Threadripper have no interest in single threaded applications, they prefer their programs to be spread across multiple cores and not only does Threadripper have the most cores, it allows you to flip between NUMA and UMA depending on your preference. Check out [H]'s review here before continuing below the fold.
"The day is finally upon us that many CPU enthusiasts have been waiting for. We get to see what AMD's new Threadripper CPU is all about in terms of performance, and in attempts to cool the beast. There has been no lack of hype for months now, so let's see if it is all justified."
Here are some more Processor articles from around the web:
Subject: Memory | August 10, 2017 - 03:31 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: Zen, Threadripper, ryzen, amd, G.Skill, flare x, quad channel
G.SKILL have launched several new kits specifically designed for Threadripper systems, all under the name of Flare X. There are three 32GB kits and a single massive 128GB kit to choose from, all quad channel and all tested for compatibility with Threadripper.
Taipei, Taiwan (10 Aug 2017) – G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd., the world’s leading manufacturer of extreme performance memory and gaming peripherals, announces all-new DDR4 specifications and expanding the Flare X series, designed for AMD processors and platforms. Compatible with the new Ryzen™ Threadripper™ processors and AMD X399 chipset motherboards, these new DDR4 specifications are designed to achieve high frequency at DDR4-3600MHz 32GB (8GBx4), as well as a massive total capacity at DDR4-2933MHz 128GB (16GBx8). Included in the mix of new quad-channel DDR4 memory kits are DDR4-3200MHz CL14 32GB (8GBx4) and DDR4-3466MHz CL16 32GB (8GBx4).
Ultra-High Frequency Flare X Series Memory Kits at DDR4-3600MHz 32GB (8GBx4)
With improved overclocking performance on the latest AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ processors on the X399 chipset, G.SKILL is announcing the DDR4-3600MHz CL16-18-18-38 with 32GB (8GBx4) total capacity running in quad-channel mode, under the Flare X series. Tested for maximum stability, this kit’s frequency speed marks the fastest memory kit ever released thus far for an AMD platform.
Massive Kit Capacity, No Compromises: DDR4-2933MHz 128GB (16GBx8)
One of the advantages introduced by the AMD X399 platform is the increase to 8 memory slots on AMD platforms, allowing the support for massive 128GB capacity kits running in quad-channel mode. Tested using the highest standards for memory stability on AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ platforms, G.SKILL announces the Flare X series DDR4-2933MHz CL14-14-14-34 128GB (16GBx8) memory kit running at 1.35V, perfect for systems requiring high-capacity, high-bandwidth memory kits.
Subject: General Tech | August 10, 2017 - 10:45 AM | Alex Lustenberg
Tagged: x299, X-Series, wraith max, video, Threadripper, Shogun, ryzen, podcast, msi, LaCie, Intel, corsair, coffee lake, bitfenix, amd, 850W
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