Better With Age
Logitech has been around since 1981 and has produced well over a billion mice during that time. As most companies have found out through the years, if there is no differentiation in products then there is a greater risk of suffering dips due to changes in demand or missed product cycles. Through acquisitions and smart hiring, Logitech has continued to grow and have addressed markets well beyond the mice that they have been famous for.
The G29 is compatible with the Driving Force Shifter from Logitech. This leather wrapped shifter features 6 speeds and a reverse in a self clamping package.
The move to gaming controllers was started decades ago and Logitech has a pretty significant lineup under the Logitech G brand. These gaming oriented products have proven to be quite popular due to their features, construction, and overall price. Initially Logitech opted for joysticks, but have broadened their reach with other controller types. Eventually they produced their own racing wheels and have found a moderate amount of success there. The earlier G25 and G27 products became quite popular due to their overall featureset and relatively low price. The previous G27 was originally released in 2010 so it was prime time to design a new product that would address the PC and console markets.
In 2015 Logitech released the G29 for the PC and Playstation and the G920 for PC and Xbox. The difference between the two wheels is limited to button placement and functions. The internal mechanism is the same as well as the pedals and mounting. This is primarily due to licensing limitations from Sony and Microsoft. The design philosophy that powered the G25 and G27 wheels is retained for this latest generation. There are some differences though, and they were not exactly positive.
At release the G29 and G920 wheels were priced at $399. This is a significant hike from the $299 price of the G27. Also significant is that Logitech did not include the manual shifter that was packaged with the G25 and G27 models. A far higher initial price which did not include an optional shifter was not a popular decision with consumers. While reviews were generally positive for the wheel, it seems as though Logitech had priced themselves out of the market compared to what the competition could give.
Now that we are a few years from that launch we are taking another look at the G29 now that prices have dropped significantly from $399. On Amazon and Newegg the wheel is listed at $266, and I have seen prices as low as $230. MSRP is still at $399 according to Logitech’s site, but in reality the price is far lower and much more in line with expectations and the competition.
Packaging is pretty minimal with no styrofoam or extra packing. It arrived in excellent condition with cardboard inserts and good compartmentalization.
Subject: Editorial | January 27, 2016 - 01:27 PM | Josh Walrath
Tagged: Thrustmaster, T150, Rocket League, racing wheel, racing, project cars, livestream, GRID Autosport, gaming, force feedback, DiRT Rally, Assetto Corsa
Did you miss the live stream for yesterday racing action? No worries, catch up on the replay right here!
On Thursday, January 28th at 5:30 PM ET we will be hosting a livestream featuing some racing by several of our writers. We welcome our readers to join up and race with us! None of us are professionals, so there is a very good chance that anyone that joins can easily outrace us!
We have teamed up with Thrustmaster to give away the TM T150 Racing Wheel! The MSRP on this number is $199.99, but we are giving it away for free. This was reviewed a few months ago and the results were very good for the price point. You can read that entire review here!
We will be playing multiple games throughout the livestream, so get those Steam clients fired up and updated.
We will be racing through the Rallycross portion of DR. These are fun races and fairly quick. Don't forget the Joker lap!
This is another favorite and features a ton of tracks and cars with some interesting tire (tyre) physics thrown in for good measure!
Another fan favorite with lovely graphics and handling/physics that match the best games out there.
We will be announcing how to join up in the contest during the livestream! Be sure to tune in!
Fully Featured Wheel for $200 US
Gaming wheels are a pretty interesting subset of the hardware world. It seems the vast majority of gamers out there are keyboard and mouse players, or skew towards console controllers which are relatively inexpensive as compared to joysticks or wheels. For those that are serious about their racing games, a wheel is a must. Sure, there are plenty of people that are good with a console controller, but that does not provide the same experience. In fact, racing games do quite a bit of compensation when it comes to steering, acceleration, and braking when it detects a console controller.
Thrustmaster echoes the Playstation blue with their PS3/PS4/PC based T150 wheel.
This makes quite a bit of sense when we consider how many degrees of travel a thumbstick has as compared to a wheel. Or how much travel a button has as compared to a set of pedals. I have talked to a developer about this and they admit to giving a hand to keyboard and console controller users, otherwise cars in these games are nigh uncontrollable. A wheel and pedal set will give much more granular control over a car in a simulation, which is crazy to think about since we use a wheel and pedal set for our daily driving…
The very basic wheels are typically small units that have a bungie or spring system to center the wheel. They also feature a pretty limited rotation, going about 270 degrees at max. These products might reach to the $100 level at max, but they are pretty basic when it comes to the driving experience. There is then a huge jump to the $300 MSRP level where users can purchase the older Logitech G27 or the still current Thrustmaster TX series.
This was not always the case. Microsoft years back had offered their Sidewinder FFB Wheel around the $200 level. Thrustmaster also addressed this market with their now discontinued Ferrari F430 FFB wheel which had an initial MSRP of around $200. This particular wheel was popular with the entry level gamers, but it had a pretty big drawback; the wheel was limited to 270 degrees of rotation. This may be fine for some arcade style racers, but for those looking to expand into more sim territory had to set their sights on higher priced products.
Introduction, Packaging, and A Closer Look
We haven’t had a chance to sit down with any racing wheels for quite some time here at PC Perspective. We have an old Genius wheel on a shelf in the back of our closet here at the office. Ryan played around with that a few years back, and that was the extent of the racing wheel usage here at home base. Josh, on the other hand, frequents driving sims with a Thrustmaster F430. I hadn’t ventured into racing sims, though I do dabble with the real thing a bit.
Given our previous Logitech coverage, and especially following our recent Q&A covering the new LogitechG line, it only made sense for us to take a look at the new Logitech G29 Driving Force Racing Wheel.
Today we are covering the G29, which is a PS3/PS4/PC specific model from Logitech. There is an Xbox/PC variant coming soon in the form of the G920, with will have a different (fewer) button layout and no LED RPM/shift display.
Subject: General Tech | June 11, 2015 - 04:00 AM | Josh Walrath
Tagged: stainless steel, racing wheel, racing pedals, racing h-gear shifter, logitech, leather, G920, G29, G27, force feedback, aluminum
PC peripherals are a fickle market for companies. Some products get replaced and updated in a very short period of time, while others remain relatively stable and the product line lasts for years. Logitech has laid claim to one of the longest serving products in the peripheral field with the G27 racing wheel. This product has proven to be a popular accessory for those wishing to race on a variety of platforms with a clutch, stick shift, and a force feedback wheel. For the time it was a rather expensive part that reached the $400 mark at introduction, but has eased down to the mid-$250US range. Five years is a long time for such a product, but the overall design and quality of the G27 has insured its place as one of the better buys of this decade.
The G29 has a unique layout of buttons, d-pad, and a 35 position rotary knob.
Time passes and all things must change. The G27 has lost some of its luster as compared to some of the latest products from Thrustmaster and Fanatec. We are now in the midst of a resurgence of racing titles from a variety of sources, some of which are emerging from relatively unknown developers and veteran studios alike. Assetto Corsa, Project Cars, DiRT Rally, and F1 2015 plus a variety of paid and F2P titles are vying for racer’s attention in this very verdant environment of software titles. We must also not forget the new marketplace opened up by the PS4 and Xbox One. Logitech, in their quest to gain the hearts and loyalties of gamers has renewed their push into this marketplace with a variety of Gaming products. Today we get our first look at the two latest entries from Logitech into the racing wheel world.
Today Logitech is announcing their latest two editions to the high end racing accessory market. The G29 has been leaked and covered, but the G920 is a new revelation to the world. The G29 is aimed at the PS3 and PS4 market and will be available for purchase in early July of this year. The G920 is the Xbox One and PC model that will be released this Fall. The models differ with their button layout, but they are both based on a lot of the same technology that powers the force feedback experience in modern racing games.
The pedals are not as colorful as the G27 (it had red accents), but it looks nearly identical to the older part. Stainless steel pedals plus a clutch.
The base unit features a dual motor design with helical gears rather than belt driven. The helical gears should result in less backlash as compared to a belt design which can stretch and distort the feeling of the wheel. The shaft of the wheel features solid stainless steel bearings so that wear and tear should be kept to a minimum. The shifters and pedals are also made of stainless steel so that these high-wear parts will work for years without issue.
The wheel itself is made of hand-stitched leather over a plastic and aluminum framing. The wheel also features a LED light rev indicator that reports to users when to shift at redline. The clamping system allows the wheel to be used on desks as well as driving stations through either a clamp or bolts. The three pedal stand is of a decent weight and of course features a clutch pedal that many competing products do not have.
The G920 is a bit more minimalist in terms of button layout. This wheel does not feature the rev/shift LEDs that the G29 has, and this is due to how the consoles address hardware. Apparently it is just not feasible for the XBox One to do this.
The G29 and G920 differ in their button layout, but both feature the three pedal set and paddle shift setup. As compared to competing products from Thrustmaster and Fanatec at this price point, there is no ability to swap out wheels with the base unit. For example both Thrustmaster and Fanatec offer a variety of wheels that can be interchanged with the hub with the gearing and force feedback hardware. Both of those companies have a great amount of flexibility with accessories that can be swapped in and out. This of course comes with a significant price. The competing Thrustmaster set has F1 and other wheels that cost anywhere from $150 to $250, while Fanatec will allow a user to customize their setup for the low, low price of $1,000US plus.
The G29 and G920 include the wheel and three pedal setup as stock at $399.99. If a user wants to include a 6-speed manual shifter, then it will cost an extra $59.99US. That particular product is configured as an H pattern shifter, but it is not included in the base package for the G29 or G920.
The G920 pedals are essentially identical to the G29 unit.
It is great to see the G29 available in an early July timeframe, but it is slightly disappointing that the G920 will not hit the market until this Fall. As a die-hard PC gamer it will be a few months before I can get hands on the G920 and put it through its paces. The racing wheel market is not overly large as most users rely on gamepads, joysticks, and keyboards for their racing needs. As such, we do not see refreshes on a regular basis as compared to keyboards, mice, and other devices. It is great to see Logitech addressing this market with new products that bring new features.
Edit: According to the Logitech website, the G29 CAN be used with a PC as long as the users has the Logitech Gaming software installed.