Subject: Graphics Cards | October 23, 2018 - 12:50 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: RTX 2070, RTX 2080, gtx 1080 ti, gtx 1070
[H]ard|OCP is pitting the newly arrived RTX gang against the incumbent GTX crew in their latest GPU review. They were specifically looking at how the RTX 2070 fares against its brethren, but took a look at the whole pack as well. Their findings bore a resemblance to Ken's, the performance trends between an overclocked GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti but the asking price for the Founders Edition is too high.
"We took our world exclusive non-NDA RTX 2070 review and compared that card directly to the GTX 1080 Ti and GTX 1070 cards, both overclocked. Thrown into the mix is the RTX 2080. Our real world gameplay will fully expose the landscape of rasterized gaming and what you should be considering purchasing, if anything for your gaming needs."
Here are some more Graphics Card articles from around the web:
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Linux Gaming Benchmarks @ Phoronix
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition @ TechPowerUp
- The Founders Edition of the RTX 2070 vs. the EVGA RTX 2070 Black with 38 games @ BabelTechReviews
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 MSI Armor @ Guru of 3D
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 ASUS Turbo @ Guru of 3D
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 OpenCL, CUDA, TensorFlow GPU Compute Benchmarks @ Phoronix
- EKWB Velocity CPU and Vector GPU Water Block Preview @ Modders-Inc
Subject: Graphics Cards | October 16, 2018 - 02:37 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: tu106, TU104, RTX 2080, RTX 2070, GTX 1080, gtx 1070, msi, Gaming Z
Some of the RTX 2070 reviews have arrived though you can expect a slew more TU106 based GPU models arriving in the near future. The MSRP of this card is similar to the GTX 1080, so the burning question is; can it match the performance and not just mimic a slower card with the addition of Tensor Cores?
Start out with Ken's review, and then head off to [H]ard|OCP to check out the RTX 2070 GAMING Z from MSI. Does it make sense to pick up the RTX 2070 right now, or grab a highly overclocked GTX 1080? Only one way to find out!
"We have an exclusive first look at performance of the new MSI GeForce RTX 2070 GAMING Z video cards sporting the new NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 GPU. We will be comparing performance to a MSI GeForce GTX 1080 GAMING X and ASUS ROG STRIX Vega 64 OC video cards in eight games at 1440p and 4K."
Here are some more Graphics Card articles from around the web:
- MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Armor OC Review @ Neoseeker
- MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z 8GB @ Kitguru
- EVGA RTX 2070 Black @ BabelTechReviews
- Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 @ Techspot
- MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Armor 8G OC Review @ OCC
- Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 Ti AMP 11 GB @ TechPowerUp
- AMD Radeon Pro WX 8200 Professional Graphics Card @ Kitguru
TU106 joins the party
In general, the launch of RTX 20-series GPUs from NVIDIA in the form of the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti has been a bit of a mixed bag.
While these new products did give us the fastest gaming GPU available, the RTX 2080 Ti, they are also some of the most expensive videos cards ever to launch. With a value proposition that is partially tied to the adoption of new hardware features into games, the reception of these new RTX cards has been rocky.
To say this puts a bit of pressure on the RTX 2070 launch would be an apt assessment. The community wants to see a reason to get excited for new graphics cards, without having to wait for applications to take advantage of the new hardware features like Tensor and RT cores. Conversely, NVIDIA would surely love to see an RTX launch with a bit more praise from the press and community than their previous release has garnered.
The wait is no longer, today we are taking a look at the RTX 2070, the last of the RTX-series graphics cards announced by NVIDIA back in August.
|RTX 2080 Ti||GTX 1080 Ti||RTX 2080||RTX 2070||GTX 1080||GTX 1070||RX Vega 64 (Air)|
|Base Clock||1350 MHz||1408 MHz||1515 MHz||1410 MHz||1607 MHz||1506 MHz||1247 MHz|
|Boost Clock||1545 MHz/
1635 MHz (FE)
|1582 MHz||1710 MHz/
1800 MHz (FE)
|1620 MHz/ 1710 MHz (FE)||1733 MHz||1683 MHz||1546 MHz|
|Ray Tracing Speed||10 GRays/s||--||8 GRays/s||6 GRays/s||--||--||--|
|Memory Clock||14000 MHz||11000 MHz||14000 MHz||14000 MHz||10000 MHz||8000 MHz||1890 MHz|
|Memory Interface||352-bit G6||352-bit G5X||256-bit G6||256-bit G6||256-bit G5X||256-bit G5||2048-bit HBM2|
|Memory Bandwidth||616GB/s||484 GB/s||448 GB/s||448 GB/s||320 GB/s||256 GB/s||484 GB/s|
|TDP||250 W /
260 W (FE)
|250 W||215W /
|175 W / 185W (FE)||180 W||150 W||292 W|
|Peak Compute (FP32)||13.4 TFLOPS / 14.2 TFLOP (FE)||10.6 TFLOPS||10 TFLOPS / 10.6 TFLOPS (FE)||7.5 TFLOPS / 7.9 TFLOPS (FE)||8.2 TFLOPS||6.5 TFLOPS||13.7 TFLOPS|
|Transistor Count||18.6 B||12.0 B||13.6 B||10.8 B||7.2 B||7.2B||12.5 B|
|MSRP (current)||$1200 (FE)/
|$599 (FE)/ $499||$549||$379||$499|
Subject: Graphics Cards | May 9, 2018 - 12:23 PM | Sebastian Peak
Tagged: video card, pricing, msrp, mining, GTX 1080, gtx 1070, gtx 1060, gtx, graphics, gpu, gaming, crypto
The wait for in-stock NVIDIA graphics cards without inflated price tags seems to be over. Yes, in the wake of months of crypto-fueled disappointment for gamers the much anticipated, long-awaited return of graphics cards at (gasp) MSRP prices is at hand. NVIDIA has now listed most of their GTX lineup as in-stock (with a limit of 2) at normal MSRPs, with the only exception being the GTX 1080 Ti (still out of stock). The lead time from NVIDIA is one week, but worth it for those interested in the lower prices and 'Founders Edition' coolers.
Many other GTX 10 Series options are to be found online at near-MSRP pricing, though as before many of the aftermarket designs command a premium, with factory overclocks and proprietary cooler designs to help justify the added cost. Even Amazon - previously home to some of the most outrageous price-gouging from third-party sellers in months past - has cards at list pricing, which seems to solidify a return to GPU normalcy.
The GTX 1080 inches closer to standard pricing once again on Amazon
Some of the current offers include:
GTX 1070 cards continue to have the highest premium outside of NVIDIA's store, with the lowest current pricing on Newegg or Amazon at $469.99. Still, the overall return to near-MSRP pricing around the web is good news for gamers who have been forced to play second (or third) fiddle to cryptomining "entrepreneurs" for several months now; a disturbing era in which pre-built gaming systems from Alienware and others actually presented a better value than DIY builds.
Subject: General Tech, Systems | April 3, 2018 - 09:33 AM | Tim Verry
Tagged: msi, i7-8750h, gtx 1070, gs65, gaming notebook, coffee lake h
MSI is introducing a new high-end gaming laptop as part of its stealth gaming GS series. The new MSI GS65 is a thin and light laptop at 0.69” thick and 4.14 pounds with ultra slim (4.9mm) bezels that allow it to pack a 15.6” display into a 14” laptop form factor. The GS65 utilizes the latest Intel processor and NVIDIA graphics along with all the RGB offered with a per-key backlit SteelSeries keyboard.
The MSI GS65 features a flat black design with gold trim and accents along with rounded corners. There are plenty of vents along the back and back corners of the left and right sides. External I/O includes Ethernet (the laptop is barely thick enough to hold the RJ-45 port), two USB 3.1 Gen 2, and two audio ports on the left side, and one USB 3.1 (10 Gbps), one Thunderbolt 3, one Mini DisplayPort, and one full size HDMI video output along the right side. Up top DynAudio speakers sit above the keyboard and a large trackpad sits below it. In addition to the built-in speakers, MSI also includes Nahimic 3 audio support for 7.1 virtual surround sound when using headphones. The display is a 15.6” 144 Hz display that is rated at a calibrated 94% NTSC color gamut.
Internally, MSI is using a beefy air cooling setup with three Whirlwind Blade fans (47 0.2mm thick fan blades), four heatpipes, and independent CPU and GPU coolers and airflow. Under the hood, MSI is offering up to an Intel Core i7-8750H Coffee Lake-H processor and either a NVIDIA GTX 1070 or GTX 1060 depending on the model. The Coffee Lake H processor is a 45W part featuring 6 cores / 12 threads clocked at 2.2 GHz base and 4.2 GHz turbo and 9 MB cache. The CPU supports dual channel DDR4-2666 MHz RAM and Intel Optane storage (no vPro on this model).
MSI claims up to 8 hours of battery life when in power saving “green mode” and playing back 720p video content. Naturally, battery life when gaming will be much lower, but in those situations, you’ll want to be near a power outlet anyway and at least MSI has managed to slim down the power adapter by 28% on this model.
On the software side of things, MSI is bundling the gaming laptop with SteelSeries Engine 3 software to control the keyboard backlighting (which can be configured to show things like ammo and health remaining) as well as Dragon Center 2.0 software for system monitoring and game profiles for optimizing memory when running supported games.
The GS65 laptop looks the part with a premium finish and nice looking accents like the floating hinge and vents without going too crazy, but we will have to wait for reviews to see if the performance is there as well. The new 6-core Intel chip and GTX 1070 combo is a lot of horsepower for a portable gaming system and I’ll be interested to see what reviewers think of the build quality and 144 Hz display. As is usually the case with these things, MSI is not yet talking pricing or availability but more information should be available soon. Update: It appears that the MSI GS65 starts at $1800 with an i7-8750H, GTX 1060, 16 GB RAM, and 256 GB SSD and $2100 for the GTX 1070 model on Amazon.
Are you rocking a gaming laptop? What do you think about MSI's latest stealthy offering?
- Intel Unveils More 8th Generation Mobile Processors, 6-Core Mobile CPUs
- MSI GS63VR Gaming Notebook - Another Take on Max-Q
Subject: Graphics Cards | December 28, 2017 - 03:32 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: external gpu, gigabyte, aorus, gtx 1070, thunderbolt 3, nvidia, gaming box
Have a laptop with Thunderbolt 3 and a mobile GPU that just doesn't cut it anymore? Gigabyte now offers an incredibly easy way to upgrade your laptop, with no screwdriver required! The Aorus GTX 1070 Gaming Box contains an external desktop class GTX 1070 and separate PSU, giving you a dock with some serious gaming prowess. The Tech Report's benchmarks compare this external GPU against the GTX 1060 installed in their Alienware gaming laptop and Alienware's own external GPU enclosure, on both the internal display and an external monitor. The results are somewhat mixed and worth reading through fully, however if you are on an integrated GPU then this solution is an incredible upgrade.
"Gigabyte's Aorus GTX 1070 Gaming Box offers us a look into a future where a big shot of graphics performance is just a single cable away for ultraportable notebook PCs. We plugged the Gaming Box into a test notebook and gave it a spin to see just how bright that future looks."
Here are some more Graphics Card articles from around the web:
- Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ArcticStorm Mini @ Guru of 3D
- Zotac GT 1030 2 GB @ Modders-Inc
- The PowerColor Red Devil Vega 56 benchmarked vs. the GTX 1070 Ti at BabelTechReviews
- 13-Way Radeon AMDGPU-PRO 17.50 vs. NVIDIA Linux OpenCL Compute Comparison @ Phoronix
- Sapphire RX Vega 64 Nitro+ Limited Edition @ Kitguru
- PowerColor Red Devil Vega 56 8GB @ Guru of 3D
- The AMD Linux Drivers Do *Not* Yet Support Radeon "Navi" @ Phoronix
- AMD Radeon Software Adrenalin Edition Performance @ [H]ard|OCP
Forza Motorsport 7 Performance
The first full Forza Motorsport title available for the PC, Forza Motorsport 7 on Windows 10 launched simultaneously with the Xbox version earlier this month. With native 4K assets, HDR support, and new visual features like fully dynamic weather, this title is an excellent showcase of what modern PC hardware can do.
Now that both AMD and NVIDIA have released drivers optimized for Forza 7, we've taken an opportunity to measure performance across an array of different GPUs. After some significant performance mishaps with last year's Forza Horizon 3 at launch on PC, we are excited to see if Forza Motorsport 7 brings any much-needed improvements.
For this testing, we used our standard GPU testbed, including an 8-core Haswell-E processor and plenty of memory and storage.
|PC Perspective GPU Testbed|
|Processor||Intel Core i7-5960X Haswell-E|
|Motherboard||ASUS Rampage V Extreme X99|
|Memory||G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB DDR4-3200|
|Storage||OCZ Agility 4 256GB (OS)
Adata SP610 500GB (games)
|Power Supply||Corsair AX1500i 1500 watt|
|OS||Windows 10 x64|
|Drivers||AMD: 17.10.1 (Beta)
As with a lot of modern console-first titles, Forza 7 defaults to "Dynamic" image quality settings. This means that the game engine is supposed to find the best image settings for your hardware automatically, and dynamically adjust them so that you hit a target frame rate (adjustable between 30 and 60fps) no matter what is going on in the current scene that is being rendered.
While this is a good strategy for consoles, and even for casual PC gamers, it poses a problem for us trying to measure equivalent performance across GPUs. Luckily the developers of Forza Motorsport 7, Turn 10 Studios, still let you disable the dynamic control and configure the image quality settings as you desire.
One quirk however though is that in order for V-Sync to be disabled, the rendering resolution within the game must match the native resolution of your monitor. This means that if you are running 2560x1440 on your 4K monitor, you must first set the resolution within windows to 2560x1440 in order to run the game in V-Sync off mode.
We did our testing with an array of three different resolutions (1080p, 1440p, and 4K) at maximum image quality settings. We tested both AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards in similar price and performance segments. The built-in benchmark mode for this game was used, which does feature some variance due to dynamic weather patterns. However, our testing within the full game matched the results of the benchmark mode closely, so we used it for our final results.
Right off the bat, I have been impressed at how well optimized Forza Motorsport 7 seems to be on the PC. Compared to the unoptimized disaster that was Forza Horizon 3 when it launched on PC last year, it's clear that Turn 10 Studios and Microsoft have come a long way.
Even gamers looking to play on a 4K display at 60Hz can seemingly get away with the cheaper, and more mainstream GPUs such as the RX 580 or the GTX 1060 with acceptable performance in most scenarios.
Games on high-refresh-rate displays don't appear to have the same luxury. If you want to game at a resolution such as 2560x1440 at a full 144Hz, neither the RX Vega 64 or GTX 1080 will do this with maximum image quality settings. Although these GPUs appear to be in the margin where you could turn down a few settings to achieve your full refresh rate.
For some reason, the RX Vega cards didn't seem to show any scaling in performance when moving from 2560x1440 to 1920x1080, unlike the Polaris-based RX 580 and the NVIDIA options. We aren't quite sure of the cause of this and have reached out to AMD for clarification.
As far as frame times are concerned, we also gathered some data with our Frame Rating capture analysis system.
Taking a look at the first chart, we can see while the GTX 1080 frame times are extremely consistent, the RX Vega 64 shows some additional variance.
However, the frame time variance chart shows that over 95% of the frame times of the RX Vega 64 come in at under 2ms of variance, which will still provide a smooth gameplay experience in most scenarios. This matches with our experience while playing on both AMD and NVIDIA hardware where we saw no major issues with gameplay smoothness.
Forza Motorsport 7 seems to be a great addition to the PC gaming world (if you don't mind using the Microsoft store exclusively) and will run great on a wide array of hardware. Whether or not you have a NVIDIA or AMD GPU, you should be able to enjoy this fantastic racing simulator.
Subject: General Tech | October 18, 2017 - 01:59 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: forza motorsport 7, amd, nvidia, vega 64, vega 56, gtx 1070, GTX 1080, gtx 1080 ti, gaming
[H]ard|OCP recently used Forza 7 in their GPU benchmarks and discovered that AMD's Vega 64 outperformed the GTX 1080 by a noticeable margin. NVIDIA responded by releasing two new drivers in quick succession, claiming performance improvements of up to 25% in this title, which prompted [H] to revisit there results with the newest drivers from both companies. They tested at both 1440p and at 4K and saw changes, though perhaps not as great as NVIDIA first announced. Take a look at the review here and consider the question they pose in their conclusions.
"Forza Motorsport 7 gaming performance has changed, video cards stack up differently when compared. We take Forza Motorsport 7 and apply new NVIDIA GeForce 387.92 and AMD Crimson ReLive 17.10.1 drivers to find out how these compare, what performance differences there are, and if AMD Radeon RX Vega is still king in this game."
Here is some more Tech News from around the web:
- Big-budget, single-player gaming isn’t dead (yet) @ Ars Technica
- Middle-Earth Shadow of War: PC graphics performance benchmark @ Guru of 3D
- Wot I Think – South Park: The Fractured But Whole @ Rock, Paper, SHOTGUN
- The Best PC Games (You Should Be Playing) @ TechSpot
- Total War’s free Mortal Empires DLC merges Warhammer 1 and 2 @ Rock, Paper, SHOTGUN
- Core i7 8700K vs. Ryzen 7 1800X For NVIDIA/Radeon Linux Gaming @ Phoronix
- Destiny 2 PC launch trailer and hardware requirements released @ HEXUS
- South Park: The Fractured But Whole secrets: find Mr Hankey, 'cheating' and more @ PC Gamer
- Humble Down Under Bundle
- PC Shadow of War players cheat to get around loot box grind @ Ars Technica
Thanks goes out to CUK, Computer Upgrade King, for supplying the MSI GS63VR notebook for our testing and evaluation
It's been a few weeks since we took a look at our first gaming notebook with NVIDIA's Max-Q design, the ASUS ROG Zephyrus. We briefly touched on the broad array of announced Max-Q Notebooks on that review, and today we are taking a look at the MSI GS63VR Stealth Pro.
One of the first notebooks to feature the GTX 1070 with Max-Q Design, the MSI GS63VR is a more traditional notebook form factor than the GTX 1080-toting ASUS ROG Zephyrus. In fact, the GS series has been a long running line of thin-and-light gaming notebooks from MSI. What is new though is the avalability of a GTX 1070-class option in this chassis. The GS63VR previously topped out with the GTX 1060 as the highest end option.
|MSI GS63VR Stealth Pro-002 (configuration as reviewed)|
|Processor||Intel Core i7-7700HQ (Kaby Lake)|
|Graphics||NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 with Max-Q Design (8GB)|
|Screen||15.6-in 1920x1080 120Hz|
512GB Samsung PM871a M.2 SATA SSD
1TB Seagate 5400RPM HDD
|Wireless||Intel 8265 802.11ac (2x2) + BT 4.1|
|Dimensions||379.98mm x 248.92mm x17.53mm (14.96" x 9.80" x 0.69")
3.96 lbs. (1792 g)
|OS||Windows 10 Pro|
|Price||$2399 - Newegg.com CUKUSA|
Taking a look a look at the exact notebook configuration we are testing, we find a well-equipped gaming notebook. In addition to the GTX 1070 Max-Q, we find a 35W Quad-Core mobile CPU from Intel, 32GB of system RAM, and plentiful storage options including both M.2 SSD and traditional 2.5" SATA drive configurations. This specific notebook is equipped with a SATA M.2 SSD, but this notebook will also support PCIe devices with the same M.2 port.
Can you hear me now?
One of the more significant downsides to modern gaming notebooks is noise. These devices normally have small fans that have to spin quickly to cool the high-performance components found inside. While the answer for loud gaming desktops might be a nice set of headphones, for notebooks that may be used in more public spaces, that's not necessarily a good solution for friends or loved ones.
Attempting to address the problem of loud gaming notebooks, NVIDIA released a technology called WhisperMode. WhisperMode launched alongside NVIDIA's Max-Q design notebooks earlier this year, but it will work with any notebook enabled with an NVIDIA GTX 1060 or higher. This software solution aims to limit noise and power consumption of notebooks by restricting the frame rate of your game to a reasonable compromise of performance, noise, and power levels. NVIDIA has profiled over 400 games to find this sweet spot and added profiles for those games to WhisperMode technology.
WhisperMode is enabled through the NVIDIA GeForce Experience application.
From GFE, you can also choose to "Optimize games for WhisperMode." This will automatically adjust settings (in-game) to complement the frame rate target control of WhisperMode.
If you want to adjust the Frame Rate Target, that must be done in the traditional NVIDIA Control Panel and is done on a per app basis. The target can be set at intervals of 5 FPS from 30 to the maximum refresh of your display. Having to go between two pieces of software to tweak these settings seems overly complex and hopefully some upcoming revamp of the NVIDIA software stack might address this user interface falacy.
To put WhisperMode through its paces, we tried it on two notebooks - one with a GTX 1070 Max-Q (the MSI GS63VR) and one with a GTX 1080 Max-Q (the ASUS ROG Zephyrus). Our testing consisted of two games, Metro: Last Light and Hitman. Both of these games were run for 15 minutes to get the system up to temperature and achieve sound measurements that are more realistic to extended gameplay sessions. Sound levels were measured with our Extech 407739 Sound Level Meter placed at a distance of 6 inches from the given notebooks, above the keyboard and offset to the right.