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Richland Unveiled: AMD Releases the New A10-5750M

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AMD Exposes Richland

When we first heard about “Richland” last year, there was a little bit of excitement from people.  Not many were sure what to expect other than a faster “Trinity” based CPU with a couple extra goodies.  Today we finally get to see what Richland is.  While interesting, it is not necessarily exciting.  While an improvement, it will not take AMD over the top in the mobile market.  What it actually brings to the table is better competition and a software suite that could help to convince buyers to choose AMD instead of a competing Intel part.

From a design standpoint, it is nearly identical to the previous Trinity.  That being said, a modern processor is not exactly simple.  A lot of software optimizations can be applied to these products to increase performance and efficiency.  It seems that AMD has done exactly that.  We had heard rumors that the graphics portion was in fact changed, but it looks like it has stayed the same.  Process improvements have been made, but that is about the extent of actual hardware changes to the design.

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The new Richland APUs are branded the A-5000 series of products.  The top end is the A10-5750M with HD-8650 integrated graphics.  This is still the VLIW-4 based graphics unit seen in the previous Trinity products, but enough changes have been made with software that I can enable Dual Graphics with the new Solar System based GPUs (GCN).  The speeds of these products have received a nice boost.  As compared to the previous top end A10-4600, the 5750 takes the base speed from 2.3 GHz to 2.5 GHz.  Boost goes from 3.2 GHz up to 3.5 GHz.  The graphics portion takes the base clock from 496 MHz up to 533 MHz, while turbo mode improves over the 4600 from 685 MHz to 720 MHz.  These are not staggering figures, but it all still fits within the 35 watt TDP of the previous product.

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One other important improvement is the ability to utilize DDR-3 1866 memory.  Throughout the past year we have seen memory densities increase fairly dramatically without impacting power consumption.  This goes for speed as well.  While we would expect to see lower power DIMMs be used in the thin and light categories, expect to see faster DDR-3 1866 in the larger notebooks that will soon be heading our way.

Click here to read more about AMD's Richland APUs!

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As mentioned before, the majority of the gains we see today are the work of low level software optimizations.  The original Trinity had a fairly complex scheme to keep clockspeeds high, balance out power needs, and to keep it all under 35 watts TDP when it comes to heat production.  The die has quite a few temperature sensors throughout the design, and these provide feedback as to what unit is heating up and what is idle.  The software that controls all this then determines what area needs to be clocked down, what can be clocked up, and how to maximize performance determined by workloads.

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AMD has several improvements under differing operations that allows them to increase overall clockspeeds, enable turbo modes to last longer, and balance out CPU and GPU workloads more effectively.  They have increased the number of P states (clock vs. voltage) so it is more finely grained.  This should allow the processor to more adequately respond to performance needs, instead of making a larger jump to the next P state, it takes a smaller one from the previous state.  This again is aimed at maximizing power and clockspeed given a certain workload.  The algorithms dictating if the CPU or GPU gets more power and speed have been overhauled as well.  AMD claims that these new algorithms can more adequately adjust for corner cases where both units may be bottlenecked, but can correctly decipher which unit actually will show the greatest performance increase by loosening the performance bottleneck.

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Finally we get to the operating system level software enhancements that AMD is introducing.  These are somewhat interesting, depending on the usage expected from these parts.  These are new programs that promise to allow more functionality and flexibility than previous notebook parts have provided.  The first is AMD Gesture Control.  This does exactly what one would think it would.  With a webcam enabled notebook the user can set it up to make gestures correspond to commands.  Things such as a hand wave can turn a page on an e-book.  The downside to this is if a person is jamming out to “Stop, In the Name of Love” and keeps interrupting the playback with their motions.  There is no colorful metaphor app as of yet from AMD.

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Other enhancements in software bundle includes AMD Face Login, AMD Screen Mirror (sharing media at low latencies to a variety of playback options), AMD Quick Stream (media streaming that takes priority over networks so no hiccups will occur), AMD Steady Video (already available through Catalyst), and AMD Perfect Picture HD (de-interlacing, contrast enhancement, color saturation, and vibrancy).  At first glance these appear to be a bit underwhelming, but consider that they all will be bundled with the new Richland APUs.  Intel currently has no software bundle to compare it to.

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Richland is not the second coming.  It still looks like a very interesting product.  AMD certainly is willing to shake things up a bit, and this refresh is coming hard and fast.  AMD expects mobile Richland processors to be available in end user products by next month.  Low voltage version for ultra-thins should be available before the end of 1H 2013.  AMD has no real choice but to release improved products on an aggressive schedule.  Make no mistake, Richland is an improvement over Trinity.  Now users just have to judge what is more important to them when it comes to usage and features.  AMD certainly has the edge in graphics and software, but Intel still has overall CPU performance and power consumption.

 

March 13, 2013 | 03:36 AM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

30-06? What gives? So ancient.

You don't have a single chance against me with that.

All I need is a Five-Seven... :) Hell, even some ancient Colt is better than that... make it parabellum with a long barrel. Like the terminator version with laser sightning.

LOL, that pistol is actually crap in RL. It shoots very inaccurately... gotta love Hollywood.

They are very rare but can be found for a few hundred bucks.

March 13, 2013 | 06:02 AM - Posted by Josh Walrath

I think you have played too much CS.

March 13, 2013 | 07:24 AM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

I have excellent shooting skills.

There is one over a hunting shop I know of here. The Belgium quality on it is unmatched, it is shit expensive about $700-800 at least though it IS worth it.

If you are a good marksmen, you CAN, in REAL life, make use of a pistol like a rifle. It just depends on who you are talking to, and what kind of shooting capability he has.

A security post guard can shoot a target that stands still EASILY from 50 feet or so with a FN 5.7. It does NOT bullet spread at a significant amount till you hit 100 feet. If you know what you are doing, then you CAN use a pistol as good as you'd use a rifle.

Not everyone is taking their gun facts from games.

March 17, 2013 | 04:52 AM - Posted by renosablast (not verified)

Methinks that someone has completely forgotten about the concept of VALUE. For the price of an upper level Intel processor and correspondingly higher-priced motherboard, one can purchase a top-level AMD processor, the motherboard, the memory, an SSD, and more. If money is no object, and you insist on having the absolute bestest, fastest, yadda yadda, go grab the Intel stuff. If you are trying to get the most bang for your buck, AMD has some MUCH more affordable options for us masses that have to be realistic about how we spend our tech dollars.

And buying CPUs on e-Bay? Seriously? I think I will stick with reputable e-tailers for something as system-critical as the CPU.

The old saying that goes something like "Better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to (repeatedly) open it and prove yourself a fool beyond all doubt" is lost on a certain John Doe. Keep right on flapping those keyboard gums, son!

March 17, 2013 | 06:15 AM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

System critical my butt. I would much rather go with an eBay Intel chip + eBay board rather than Amazon AMD board + Amazon AMD chip.

But apperently you are too dumb to see that since you own an extremely SHITTY and CRAP FX-8350.

Keyboard gums? I own a RealForce 87U Tenkeyless you moron. The last thing I would do is to slap a gum on a 275 dollar keyboard

April 18, 2013 | 08:11 PM - Posted by Jane Doe (not verified)

John, your hostility in a threaded discussion is abnormal. So at what point did you realize that having sex with your mother was wrong and taking out your frustrations anonymously behind a computer would help you cope? As we all know, people like you cower in public with your thoughts as they build up in your head because you lack the courage to speak out in person like you do online.

April 18, 2013 | 08:11 PM - Posted by Jane Doe (not verified)

John, your hostility in a threaded discussion is abnormal. So at what point did you realize that having sex with your mother was wrong and taking out your frustrations anonymously behind a computer would help you cope? As we all know, people like you cower in public with your thoughts as they build up in your head because you lack the courage to speak out in person like you do online.

March 12, 2013 | 08:57 AM - Posted by Daniel Meier (not verified)

See that's what i´m interested in, the gaming side of things. I don´t care that they suck at single threaded applications. But if they fix the performance on that part well that´s just an added bonus.

With next generation consoles like the PS4, giving developers the ability to use multiple cores. My i5 2500k looks like it will have a very hard time keeping up with upcoming game ports. Granted my 680 will probably have troubles before long too.

But if AMD can deliver equal, or very close performance to what intel currently have out. Well then i see my self skipping the whole Ivy Bridge upgrade, and will be going straight to Steamroller.

March 12, 2013 | 09:11 AM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

I own a 3770K and would honestly say, although a great chip, it is NOT worthwhile over a 2500K.

The shitty paste in the chip makes the CPU go whoa when you start OC'ing it. When my 3770K hits 4.8 Ghz, internal core temps go out of control and the chip completely loses it's mind due to the lack of a proper TIM inside the IHS and the chip.

3770K is a great chip but it IS NOT a good clocker. 2700K is still the way to go if you're going to OC the crap out of the chip. There's a guy that is selling a pair for $300 right now.

If you want to upgrade, get a 2700K. You can easily nail 5 Ghz just under a TRUE with it. And the 4 extra threads would help as well.

Though, the 2500K is still a VERY capable chip and you have absolutely no reason to ditch it.

March 12, 2013 | 09:16 AM - Posted by Daniel Meier (not verified)

Yeah thats pretty much why i haven´t upgraded it to a 3570k or a 3770k.

The performance gain i kept seeing in benchmarks where kind of minimal. Right now my 2500k runs at a 4.6Ghz, so its still keeping up with games today. The only downside is that it only has 4 cores.

March 12, 2013 | 09:28 AM - Posted by Josh Walrath

While the TIM has something to do with it, it is primarily the electrical characteristics of Intel's 22 nm Tri-Gate process.  It is extremely power efficient at sub 4 GHz speeds, but it does not scale well at all above that.  As you see, hitting 4.8 GHz makes it go crazy in terms of thermals and power consumption.  This again has more to do with the physical characteristics of the process technology and not the TIM/heatspreader.

March 12, 2013 | 09:36 AM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

Maybe but the TIM still plays a HUGE role.

I'm under a MagiCool Monsta Limited 420, a Kyros HF and a PMP-500 with some Nidec Ultra-Flo 6200 RPM's going over the Monsta... there's no way in hell I should be getting those kind of temps.

I don't have the balls to delid it though so my conclusion is that, 3770K is a great chip but a shitty clocker. Anybody who's looking to SERIOUSLY OC should NOT bother with it and just get a 2700K.

March 13, 2013 | 03:18 AM - Posted by Vargis14 (not verified)

I believe Ivys Tim plays a huge role on how ivy K cpus overclock.

Sandys IHS was soldered on. that is about 20 times better then TIM.

July 2, 2014 | 05:39 PM - Posted by forbrukslån (not verified)

I do trust all of the concepts you have offered in your post.
They are really convincing and can definitely work. Still, the posts are very quick for newbies.

Could you please prolong them a bit from next time? Thanks
for the post.

March 12, 2013 | 10:57 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Prodeous, what software are you useing for your rendering!
And do you Know of any websites that include any Blender benchmarking results?

March 12, 2013 | 12:30 PM - Posted by prodeous (not verified)

I primarily use Blender for rendering. As for benchmark results.

most common benchmark is Mike Pan's BMW benchmark
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?239480-2-61-Cycles-render...

Results can be found here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0As2oZAgjSqDCdElkM3l6VTdRQjh...

i7 3770k vs FX 8150
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_7.html

FX8150 vs FX8350 in 3DS max.. better (i7 even better) but definitely improved in performace between Bull -> Pile. However 3DS is not as fully optimized as it should be :(
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/fx-8350-8320-6300-4300_7.ht...

March 12, 2013 | 01:37 PM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

Here is a test that, I personally think, would be more useful to most than some Blender benchmark some guy wrote in his bedroom...

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4203841&postcount=5

when overclocked, FailDozer pulls an insane amount of power and it LOSES to AMD's OWN 1100T.

Now let's go back when more in history, and look at some old ass HWC chart. I actually find this chart THE best chart ever since it's such a well put one that really has the kind of tests that shows the complete gaming power of a chip:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/charts/index.php?pid=61,63,69,73,76&tid=5

VALVe particle simulation benchmark. This is an old thing VALVe came up way back in HL2 days to show the capabilities of the Source Engine. It represents an extremely CPU heavy case in a Source mod.

Now, we are looking for the Phenom only since we know the Phenom has better IPC than BullDozer and Intel is easily better than that.

Now look at those results... the X4 955 does 91 Frames, while the Q6600 does 80 frames and a Q9550 does 107 frames... the Phenom chip is WORSE than EVEN a Core 2 Quad... and that i7 920 is pumping a good 130 frames even at a slow ass 2.66 Ghz...

Intel is THAT better.

March 12, 2013 | 02:05 PM - Posted by Foolsmasher (not verified)

The 8350 is more than keeping up lately as games are finally starting to utilize more cores. This trend will only continue in the future as AMD Jaguar Apu's are entrenched in the upcoming consoles.

Right now it isn't necessarily wise to recommend a 2500k over an 8350 if the person is interested in playing upcoming games.

Go look at some Crysis 3 benchmarks. An 8350 typically bests the i5's and runs slightly behind the i7's. The 8350 will lose to i5's in lightly threaded scenarios, but best in heavily threaded ones. All in all it's within a few FPS of the Intels at a cheaper price point.

Not too shabby.

March 13, 2013 | 12:39 AM - Posted by prodeous (not verified)

The Blender benchmarks are again, for multi-threading. I agree with you that for gaming it is slightly different.

But the benchmarks I posted were for a specific case that I use my computer primarily for. And the price/performance ratio can not be beet by Intel CPU especially in Poland.

Additionally you realize you are comparing FX 8150 not FX 8350 in your first benchmark? which again based on my link shows improvements.

Rest of the platform is identical (pure CPU swap)

And second benchmark is comparing old gen CPU's... again what is the purpose of this...?

Again, I agree that for GAMING, Intel has it. Single thread performance, no way to compete now. And when any of my friends mentions they want a GAMING system I tell them, get Intel.

However when you need something for Media Creation, Video Encoding, Rendering, etc, Intel and AMD are really close in performance.

And direct comparison between PII X6 1090T and FX 8350.

Rendering in Blender (again - production purpose) - Stock settings

PII X6 1090T - 5 minutes 40 seconds - 342 seconds
FX 8350 - 4 minutes 4 seconds - 244 seconds

You can do the math your self as to which one is faster.

March 13, 2013 | 02:07 AM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

Even THAT isn't really a fair comparison.

The FX-8350 has an insane Turbo on it and a very high stock clock against that old and poor 1090T.

If you're going to compare BD to Thuban, compare it to an OC'ed 1100T. Now that would be a far more fair comparison.

I would not be surprised if PileDriver gets spanked by a 1100T.

Compare a MAX OC'ed 1100T to a MAX OC'ed FX-8350. Then there won't ANYWHERE be as much difference.

And the sole reason I was comparing those (old CPU's) was to show how 'inferior' AMD is. Phenom has a better IPC than BullDozer and those chips lose to ancient Core 2 Quad's... now you tell me how plausible an AMD setup is.

EVEN for things like your usage, EVEN for completely threaded apps, Sandy Bridge STILL spanks PileDriver.

PileDriver is a waste of money. It is what it is. There are little to no proper boards for OC'ing it. It's inefficient, and has horrendous per-thread performance. Nobody in their right mind should go ahead and waste money on one when they can save up a bit and get Sandy Bridge. Intel is so much better you're getting far better hardware for your money. AMD is not even 'worth' bothering with.

March 13, 2013 | 06:15 AM - Posted by prodeous (not verified)

You forgot to take into consideration the Power requirements.

Clock is relevant of course, however for the same power envelope of 125W the 1090T or 1100T took, I have the FX8350 that is significantly faster in the tasks I need.

And before you dispute this, remember that the company you admire, Intel, used its monopoly to destroy AMD. Intel even agreed to pay 1,4 billion dollars to close a case they knew they would loose. So AMD without a budget came up with .. well not much. The Faildozer (I will agree with that), but the Piledriver is an improvement, within 10-15% they mentioned.

Still in the end it is all about the tasks you use and what you can afford. For what I need and what I can afford, AMD spanks Intels arse. For you in Gaming it is the opposite. So lets be happy that we both got what we want and need for our daily lives. :)

March 13, 2013 | 07:37 AM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

I'm not admiring any cash cow company.

Power envelope? Did you check that Guru3D link I posted? Here is what is says in it:

'Even it’s 95W FX-8120, when I OC over 4.3GHz, the power consumption bump up to over 380W.
FX-8120 temperature is also rise a lot.'

PileDriver sucks MORE power than an X6.

That 'power envelope' you talk about is called 'TDP'. It IS NOT how much power the chip pulls regularly. It's how much wattage is DISSIPATES.

Power consumption and TDP are two entirely DIFFERENT things.

March 12, 2013 | 02:27 PM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

Because the 8350 has a GIANT Turbo and completely relies on it's stock clocks and because Cry 3 scales very well over 4 cores.

It's a piece of shit CPU that is hidden under a number of tricks to sell. In %90 of the games a 2500K WILL blow the shit out of a 8350 out of the water, especially once you start OC'ing. It's much more efficient, better per-clock and thread, and doesn't require a beastly board to be pushed.

With a 8350 setup you have very LIMITED board choice. Most 990FX boards suck and blow shit and the only two worthwhile boards that are on top of my head right now are 990FX-GD80 and that Gigabyte board which has gotten an UEFI and MAYBE the Crosshair V. Beyond those though, 990FX boards are a hit and miss big time.

Single threaded performance of 8350 is just the same as FX-8150's. It's TERRIBLE. Right up there with an antic E6600...

It, no matter what kind of deal comes with, is NOT a worthwhile chip when a very simple, second hand 2500K with a cheap board blows it out of the water in every single way.

March 12, 2013 | 07:22 PM - Posted by mAxius

Now let the fun begin. Nice write up josh glad to see amd releasing new product at higher speeds. On to the antiamd trolls... you buy what you wish to buy. I buy what I wish to buy. Are you holding onto a grudge and going off the deep end cause a company released product. I do not see why sure it may not outperform Intel in some tasks but it will do every task your Intel chip does and some multithreaded tasks even better. Let's not even get to Intel's piss poor excuse of a gpu that can not hold a candle to amd`s. Amd has apu`s that can decimate intels in pure gpu performence and it is a single power saving package. On to a dose of reality trolls, amd`s IP is in the Nintendo, Sony and microsoft consoles. Intel and nvidia are not going to be in the next generation systems at all... games will be optimized for amd apu`s by default my proof just look at tomb raider for a glimpse of nvidias future muuhahaha

March 12, 2013 | 07:44 PM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

If you honestly think I am trolling or anything here then you are a giant, good old dumbass and nothing else.

The review SITE is trolling for AMD here, with you being the ultimate fool who can not even comprehend these simple lines of texts I am writing.

Oh and, talk about fanboyism? Right. The irony.

March 12, 2013 | 07:54 PM - Posted by mAxius

Damn this android tablet

March 12, 2013 | 07:53 PM - Posted by mAxius

I have a solution for your jaded viewpoint go else ware stop trolling pushing your antiamd agenda on everyone else. Tech news sites can't report on a new product from a company cause you dislike them... get a life

March 12, 2013 | 07:54 PM - Posted by John Doe (not verified)

You're the MOST stupid person around in here.

That's all.

March 13, 2013 | 12:41 AM - Posted by prodeous (not verified)

Agreed. Well said

March 13, 2013 | 09:35 AM - Posted by JMccovery

This vitriol spewed by 'John Doe' makes me realize that he doesn't have much of an argument, because every response is laced with anger and foul language.

'John', we get that you have unhealthy hatred of anything CPU-wise AMD produces, but you don't have to act like the fanboy you are. All you have to say is: "For my usage scenario, Piledriver isn't much better than Bulldozer."

Anyways, on to Richland. I feel that it is a great improvement over Trinity, regarding AMD's financial/R&D situation, though I do wish GCN would've replaced TeraScale, but would leave Kaveri with a miniscule graphics performance improvement. Also, it is possible that issues came up with backporting GCN to GF's 32nm process.

No matter how small a step is taken, at least AMD is moving forward.

Bring on Kaveri, Kabini and Temash!

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