AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB and HD 7850 2GB Pitcairn Review
Conclusions and Final Thoughts
Performance
The performance of the new Pitcairn GPU needs to be broken up into two parts and we'll start with the Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition. Priced at $349 when it hits the market the current competition for it includes the GTX 570 (about $10 less) and maybe even the GTX 580 ($100+ more!) depending on the game and resolution. When we compare the HD 7870 to the HD 6970, the new card outperforms it in all our of tests but two (Batman: Arkham City and Metro 2033). Since the Cayman cards are actually really hard to find now, and should be even harder to find when the HD 7800 cards finally hit the market, this isn't really a big issue for AMD.
The GTX 570 presents an interesting challenge and it more or less matches the HD 7870. In our six games, the HD 7870 falls behind in two, ties in two and wins in two; hard to get much more even than that. The GTX 580 definitely performs better but the gaps are pretty small in titles like Battlefied 3, Skyrim and DiRT 3. For the price, the Radeon HD 7870 is pretty impressive.
Following that discussion with the HD 7850 card we need to compare it to both the GTX 570 and the GTX 560 Ti. As you would expect based on our comments above, the HD 7850 can't really keep up with the GTX 570 except for a couple of select cases (Skyrim, Metro 2033). Consider that the GTX 570 is about $90 more than the HD 7850, we aren't overly concerned. If we pit it against the GTX 560 Ti, the HD 7850 runs away with the performance advantage while only demanding a $20 premium.
Power and Efficiency
While we were hoping the HD 7870 was going to really run past the GTX 570 and that the HD 7850 might be able to get close, those goals were not really achieved. However, if you look at the power consumption and efficiency, the new Pitcairn GPUs just decimate the GeForce options. While the HD 7870 and the GTX 570 perform very closely, the AMD card actually uses 84 watts LESS power under load. That is considerable and represents about 50% of the total power consumption of the HD 7870 on its own.
The same is seen for the HD 7850 - compared to the GTX 560 Ti that it completely dominates in the performance metrics, the AMD option uses 56 fewer watts!
Once NVIDIA is able to move to its Kepler architecture on the same 28nm process, we'll see if these kinds of advantages can hold up; today AMD has the clear edge in power consumption, heat and noise.
Features
There aren't really a huge amount of new features for the SI architecture - Eyefinity is still the only single-GPU option for running multiple display gaming configurations and in fact these new GPUs may actually offer enough performance to push a 5760x1080 configuration on a single card. NVIDIA's GTX 500-series still requires you to have an SLI configuration to get Surround to function and then you dive into the world of multi-GPU issues that we have noted in previous reviews.
The availability of Eyefinity + HD3D is interesting but isn't really an HD 7000 exclusive; the 12.1 drivers offer this on Radeon 6000 series cards as well. DDMA (discrete digital multi-point audio) could really change the way users interact with different audio/video sources on their PCs but we are going to have to wait until we see implementations of it before making a conclusion there.
Texture filtering has been improved, the new Steady Video 2.0 will be available soon and we have already discussed PowerTune and ZeroCore technologies and what advantages they offer.
I am a bit disappointed that AMD took away the ability to run more than two cards in CrossFire on the 7800 series (as compared to up to four on the HD 7900 series), but I don't think that will affect many of our readers.
Pricing and Availability
Let's quickly recap the pricing of the new HD 7800-series cards and their competitors:
- AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB - $349
- AMD Radeon HD 6970 2GB - $379
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.25GB - $339
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB - $469
For my dollar, the HD 7870 is the best card in that collection. Yes, it doesn't offer as much performance as the GTX 580 though with a bit of overclocking it can do just that, all while saving $120 in your checking account. The GTX 570 does offer similar performance though the larger frame buffer on the HD 7870 (2GB vs 1.25GB) and the lower power consumption and temperatures make it a better overall solution.
- AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB - $249
- AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB - $269
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.25GB - $339
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB - $229
Here again, I would pick the HD 7850 as the best card in the group. It does fall behind the GTX 570 pretty handily though it costs about $90 less. The GTX 560 Ti doesn't really hold up on the performance side of things while only offering buyers a $20 discount.
If there is a problem with today's review, it is that the cards aren't going to be in the market for two weeks - AMD expects market availability on March 19th. Why the review today then? Obviously AMD wants to be able to show off and discuss Pitcairn while the CeBit and GDC shows get under way this week and they realize they won't likely be able to contain leaks at both. In my view, AMD also wants to be sure that media had time to completely digest their 7000-series lineup before we head out to meet with NVIDIA to learn about Kepler - even though we would be under NDA it would surely affect our mindset knowing what is coming.
After asking all the other staff at PC Perspective, my opinion of this being a "paper launch" was over ruled - everyone else believed that two weeks wasn't far enough to raise crap about. So, there you have it.
Final Thoughts
Where the Radeon HD 7900 cards were impressive from a pure performance stand point and the Radeon HD 7700 cards brought new features and performance per watt to the sub $200 market, the HD 7800 cards are really the ones we think warrant the most attention from gamers. For $250, the Radeon HD 7850 offers a significantly better gaming experience than the GTX 560 Ti from NVIDIA while offering enough overclocking headroom to reach towards the GTX 570. The Radeon HD 7870 is able to handle the GTX 570 in a decent fashion though it doens't stand apart from its direct competitor like the 7850 does.
All NVIDIA would have to do to shake things up is lower prices on the GTX 570 and 560 Ti forcing us to reevaluate the value points for each card, but today, AMD's Radeon HD 7800 cards are clearly the best options in their price range.
Gold Award: AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB
Editor's Choice: AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB






I think I found my new upgrade...
I think you will not be alone.
Definitely, you won't be alone. I was about to build my rig with a GTX 560 Ti to ass another one later. But now, I'll wait for 7870 wich is very close to GTX 570 but whit much lower power consumption, making it possible to Crossfire on my TX750 PSU.
Definitely, you won't be alone. I was about to build my rig with a GTX 560 Ti to ass another one later. But now, I'll wait for 7870 wich is very close to GTX 570 but whit much lower power consumption, making it possible to Crossfire on my TX750 PSU.
Thanks for that last page Ryan, I enjoyed seeing the spread of the 7000 series cards and it will really make me think when I do my birthday upgrade. So far it's either the 7950 or the 7870.
Tough choice.
Yeah, I thought seeing the data in that way was kind of interesting, even as someone who has tested each of them.
I liked the last page's comparison as well. Shows the spread of the 7K family.
I was hoping for a little more out of the 7870 i think. Appears to be about on par with the gtx570 which can be had for $315 after rebate. I can wait for Kepler to drop and competition to bring the 7K series prices down before i make a decision on upgrading.
Confused as to why nearly everyone including pcper didn't show relative benchmarks again 7970 and 7950.
Did you skip the last page? Entire 7K series comparison.
Yeah I did actually.
Thanks for pointing that out, shame on me for thinking pcper would drop the ball like other sites have.
Cheers
What he said. Thanks for reading!
I'm a little pissed now, based on the price/performance aspect. I just bought a 6970 this month!
Those benchmarks made the 560 Ti look like trash...
I like the new office, and the bins of graphics cards.
But the big question is... how much did you pay for said 6970? While the 7870 is faster overall, it still isn't available and it will be at least $359 once it hits (and depending on demand, might reach a little higher). If you got a 6970 for $330 or less, then I would say it is still a good buy.
I just got this 6970 Lightning, for around 359$. Its is now "Deactivated" on Newegg...
No second card for me it seems....
I'm not too upset since my card came overclocked, and i can clock it higher. It is still a great card.
Though I kinda wish AMD stopped selling these cards so close to release, or dropped the price more.
I got it less than 3 weeks ago, i kinda feel like a jackass now...
Well... that's still an awesome card. Not a terrible price either for what you end up getting. That thing is a beast...
I'm not disappointed with the card, the custom cooler keeps it cool a 60C on full load @ 940MHz. So some more OCing headroom exists. It is a beast.
I still wish AMD stopped selling cards that are under-powered compared to the new versions at stock clocks. (6970 vs 7970 vs 7870) Or at least some hint that these cards are going to be replaced in a big way, not just a incremental update like i7 1st gen vs i7 2nd gen. Where the advantages come from the process change not an entire new architecture. I'm just being bitter, don't mind me.
Or if you got a 6950 2gb for $250 and unlocked it to 6970 even better deal :)
How about a 6950 for $200 and unlock it to a 6970? New Egg has one for only 2 bills this weekend.
This generation AMD are first to release the cards but will suffer in the end coz the prices are inflated. Especially, the release of kepler will highlight the point. this gen goes to nvidia and there are no 2 ways abt it. consider the fact that the 7850 is abt 10% faster than gtx 560 ti, a card launched over 14 months b4. Thats not impressive. The price perfrmance thing will be the biggest downer for AMD when kepler comes out. AMD really needs to reduce the prices. and they will wen kepler is released, but those who buy the cards now will be weeping. SO i say better wait for kepler. I am also holding off my nxt rig for kepler and ivy bridge. But those upgrading should wait till april or whenever kepler is released.
I disagree with pretty much everything you just wrote.
1. Why would AMD suffer in the end because of their current prices? They can adjust the prices down when needed...
2. In regards to comparing cards that just launched etc - Nvidias recent card the GTX 560ti 448core is slower than the 6970 that came out over a year ago also.
3.Price/performance will be a big downer when keplar is released? How do you know? Keplar release date is not even announced and no real reviews are available. How do you know all this?
I'm sorry, but you are speculating way too much.
I'm not sure 7000 series are giving enough bang for the buck...or Euro to upgrade. AS it stands people are not doing a lot of upgrading.
I am a big ebay fan and no used cards have poped up lately, in any great number. (Still looking for that third 580, at the right price.)
7970/50 Likely to be toppled by Kepler. We just have to hope nvidia don't put a premium on AMD's premium price.
7870/50 are being compared to existing nvidia cards so we know this will change, so that's why I feel they don't give that performance jump that buyers now will needed.
Prices of 7xxx are high, because 6xxx cards are still in stock, and AMD does not want to cannibalize their sales - ie. clear stock. It's common strategy.
Also remember what Ryan said in the review. AMD is matching Nvidias performance and pricing all while consuming SIGNIFICANTLY LESS power (IE money in your bank) and putting out less heat. Also remember, you are getting more than 2 monitors with only 1 card if you want.
I like NVidia and i am not an AMD fan boy by any means, but my loyalty lies with the almighty dollar and right now AMD is winning.
Be careful when copying marketing graphics. The marketshare slide on the first page doesn't say "of DirectX 11 graphics cards", it says "of Enthusiast* DirectX 11 graphics cards". Where does the asterisk lead?
Interesting thought, I'll look.
By "enthusiast class" they are referring to GPUs with a launch price of $199 or greater.
thanks
"Eyefinity is still the only single-GPU option for running multiple display gaming configurations and in fact these new GPUs may actually offer enough performance to push a 5760x1080 configuration on a single card."
Been running 5760x1200 from a single 2GB 5870 for the last two years.
Right, but that is Eyefinity technology that is NOT found on NVIDIA GPUs yet.
Ryan,
The value and importance of minimums is not lost on you as it is on so many so called enthusiast sites. Thanks for that. On Anand, for instance, can't even tell what metric he is using, and can't be bothered to read so an amateurish review. But he uses acrap for his main box, so he is far from the enthusiast he claims to be.
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