Haswell-E has sprung a leak

Subject: Processors | August 26, 2014 - 10:32 AM |
Tagged: rumour, leak, Intel, Haswell-E, 5960X, 5930K, 5820K

Take it with a grain of salt as always with leaks of these kind but you will be interested to know that videocardz.com has what might be some inside information on Haswell-E pricing and model numbers.

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Intel i7 / X99 Haswell-E pricing:

  • Intel Core i7 5960X 8C/16HT – 40-lane PCI-Express support (x16 + x16 + x8) — $999
  • Intel Core i7 5930K 6C/12HT – 40-lane PCI-Express support (x16 + x16 + x8) — $583
  • Intel Core i7 5820K 6C/12HT – 28-lane PCI-Express support (x16 + x8 + x4) —– $389

As you can see there is a big jump between the affordable i7-5820K and the more expensive 5930K.  For those who know they will stick with a single GPU or two low to mid-range GPUs the 5820K should be enough for you but if you have any thoughts of upgrading or adding in a number of PCIe SSDs then you might want to seriously consider saving up for the 5930K.  Current generation GPUs and SSDs are not fully utilizing PCIe 3.0 16x but that is not likely to remain true for long so if you wish for your system to have some longevity this is certainly something you should think long and hard about.  Core counts are up while frequencies are down, the 8 core 5960X has a base clock of 3GHz, a full gigahertz slower than the 4790K but you can expect the monstrous 20MB cache and quad-channel DDR4-2133 to mitigate that somewhat.  Also make sure to note that TDP, 140W is no laughing matter and will require some serious cooling.

Follow the link for a long deck of slides that reveal even more!

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August 26, 2014 | 11:18 AM - Posted by BBMan (not verified)

Gag on the 5930 to 5960 $400+ jump as well. Unfortunately, I don't know if we'll ever see an equivalent 8 core "5850" price break.

This is, however, about what I expected.

August 26, 2014 | 11:55 AM - Posted by donut (not verified)

Would 16 + 8 pci-e lanes really effect performance of 2 hi end cards like 290x or 780ti ?

August 26, 2014 | 12:38 PM - Posted by Ramos (not verified)

Compare 4790K with 4930K(the old 5930),
http://ark.intel.com/compare/77780,80807

"Up to 1x16, 2x8, 1x8/2x4" (4790k)

4790K has only 16 lanes available, yet 4xSLI works fine for extreme gamers, so np. The graphics cards don't use all ports at those speeds for communication with the processor.

In fact, you have to have pretty special HW to use PCI 3.0 above 8x, even a big Adaptec raid controller maxes at 3.0 8x, as does dual 10 Gbps cards and TB2 cards still.

August 26, 2014 | 08:20 PM - Posted by donut (not verified)

Thanks.
Now bring on the reviews.

August 26, 2014 | 12:31 PM - Posted by Ramos (not verified)

Now to wait for the equivalent 1 socket Xeon E5-1650 v3 for 2011-3 sockets to get 5930 - OC_Multiplier + ECC.

August 26, 2014 | 12:41 PM - Posted by Mad_Dane

Intel unlocking Xeon's? HAHA keep dreaming!

August 26, 2014 | 01:18 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

You'll be surprised what Intel will offer, once those licensed Power8s start hitting the market, made by Samsung, Fujitsu, etc., and the Chinese. The costs of the server SKUs are going to go down dramatically, once the Power8s are coming at commodity low margin prices, just like the ARM SOC/CPU, and server chips, commodity style pricing. That's 8 wide SMT, on those Power8 monsters, that are up for ARM style licensing, by anyone, including Nvidia, who is already working on integrating its GPUs with IBM's in house Power8s, on a uber fast mezzanine module, with CAPI derived NVlink connection fabric, Nvidia is already offering clusters for the various automotive, and aviation design bureaus, how easy it would be for Nvidia to license the Power8 CPU reference design, and make a complete enthusiasts' monster home gaming server.

August 27, 2014 | 12:14 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

whats it like living in a fantasy world?

August 27, 2014 | 09:31 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Tell that to Google, they already have a Chinese made motherboard, and are testing the power8 out for their server mega farms. The Power8 is a Xeon eater, and with loads of companies licensing the reference designs from OpenPower, expect the server chip market, to obtain the same, economy of scale, pricing as is demonstrated in the ARM ecosystem market. With Companies like Apple, Nvidia, AMD(If Rory Read, 23 years at IBM, is smart), and others, able to license and have fabbed for themselves a Microarchitecture that outperforms Xeon! I'd think you are one of those that like to Compare ARM Holdings' market CAP, and R&D budget, with Intel's market CAP and R&D budget, and fails to even include the market CAPs of the entire ARM based industry(Samsung, Apple, Nvidia, AMD, etc. in the thousands) of Fortune 100, and smaller companies that have market CAPs, and R&D budgets in the ARM based industry(do the math). Now take the Power8 and spread the R&D across an entire participating industry of large, and equally valued to Intel, companies, including loads of smaller companies that can License the Power8, and the Power8's reference designs do not need any tweaking. How is Intel, and x86 doing in the mobile market with that contra revenue, think Intel has the unlimited funds to do that in the server CPU/SOC market, when the non made for IBM's internal use Licensed Power8's hit the market beginning in 2015! Apple could make one hell of a Mac Pro, based around a 12 core, 8 treads per core, Power8(Power8 in not PowerPC), and Apple is not afraid to switch ISAs, no not at all, Afraid!

I'm just Dreaming Of Commodity Priced Server SKUs, that's how competitive markets are supposed to work, when the Monolithic Monopolies meet their fate.

August 27, 2014 | 07:16 PM - Posted by Ramos (not verified)

That's not what I wrote.

The Xeon I want for my needs has the same corecount with the same instruction sets(at least), same baseclock/turbo as the 5930 and I'll only give up OC via multiplier but gain ECC, which is fine, cause I don't do OC on a non-gaming computer.

August 26, 2014 | 12:43 PM - Posted by Mad_Dane

Yep thats it, no new desktop for me, I refuse to buy a new CPU until I can get 8 cores at around 500 USD, refuse to have less cores than the new consoles at that price point!

August 26, 2014 | 04:24 PM - Posted by Ophelos

hell with 8 core CPU's i want my 16 core intel CPU.. Ocracles SPRAC T5 CPUs that got 16 cores.

August 26, 2014 | 10:58 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

If the number of cores is how you measure performance, just get the A10-7800 with its advertised '12 compute coes' for $150 and pat yourself on the back for being so clever as to recognize the great dollar per core value.

August 26, 2014 | 06:24 PM - Posted by PapaDragon

Intel Core i7 5820K 6C/12HT $389...Hope Micro Center offers it at $299 , got my hammer ready to bust the piggy bank!

August 26, 2014 | 09:47 PM - Posted by over rated game (not verified)

the most annoying thing about motherboards and CPUs these days is that you can buy three or 4 GPU cards and plug them in to a motherboard to increase your quality of graphics but in regard to the CPU's we are still stuck in the 80,s for domestic one CPU per board. Wish some smart company would invents motherboard a standard socket to allow multiple CPU cards to be inserted into the board ( like GPU's).
result intel CPU/ gpu 4 x 8 core (water cooling may be required)

August 27, 2014 | 07:08 AM - Posted by Distriived (not verified)

Funny you should say that there was at one point something like that. From what I can remember a Pentium III I had was cartridge like where you could easily slide it on or off the motherboard. They called it slot one, and being an old server computer it had two of them on the motherboard. lol what power

August 27, 2014 | 01:00 PM - Posted by YTech

There are motherboards on the market that allows for 4+ CPU. But those are usually for servers or monstrous workbench machines.
For a gamer and casual pc user; you will still be limiting yourself to 1-4 core usage out of them due to the type of software/engine being used. Check out Puget Systems.

However, I think you are referring to the simplicity of a type of plug-and-play upgrade/downgrade. Because CPU is the core component of a motherboard and everything is designed around it. What you seek won't be convenient and reliable, at present time.

What you would want, is a soldered multi-function CPU where additional slots can be used for more CPU. I believe this is what may happen in the future, as right now no one is buying it. This is another reason why some projects are focusing on using the GPU as additional CPU as it's easy to upgrade and more of them are much more powerful then the current CPU.

But like usual, we won't see it available due to lack of men power designing them and lack of public interest. And don't forget, lack of profit if it becomes too convenient or a norm.

August 27, 2014 | 10:14 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Or Just wait for the GPU makers to include CPUs on their discrete GPUs, AMD could very well Take their gaming APUs, that are in the consoles, and beef up the GPU core count and totally cut the motherboard CPU out of the gaming equation. Hell discrete GPUs are 99% of the way to being complete systems, they have memory controllers, they have Memory, the GPU is just a vector processor, just Add some CPU cores, on the GPU's die, connected to the fat GPU bus, and GDDR5 memory, maybe even add a large on die stacked RAM chip so the gaming engine, and gaming OS, most commonly used code, is cached on the on die stacked RAM, and there is not a motherboard bound CPU that will beat that combination, for low latency and processing speed! Move it all to the PCI card, and fill 2 or 3 slots with complete gaming systems, with a large backplane wide BUS, connected across the top of the cards, so the gaming systems can communicate over the wide backplane BUS, and the motherboard bus at the same time. There you have it a gaming/computing cluster, able to run games across the CPU cores on each discrete gaming card. With 8 CPU cores per GPU, 3 cards would have 24 CPU cores, for one hell of a lot less cost than a multi-socket motherboard and server SKU. Nvidia could do the same with the Denver cores, and its GPUs, but Nvidia already has a better way, some Power8's and its GPUs on a mezzanine module, Nvidia would be foolish not to license a Power8 reference design, and start creating some gaming servers for the home, lots of trust fund kids out there with money to burn. There would be Intel, stuck on the motherboard and out of the gaming Loop, except for some support role use(or not there at all if Nvidia licenses Power8)! Maybe the Intel running a VM, and some general purpose OSs, while the PCI gaming systems run a, streamlined for gaming, Cluster Steam OS, and multiprocessing gaming engine.

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