Video Perspective: 2013 Games on the A10-7850K vs. Intel Core i3 + GeForce GT 630

Subject: Graphics Cards, Processors | January 29, 2014 - 03:44 PM |
Tagged: video, nvidia, Intel, gt 630, APU, amd, A10-7850K, 7850k

The most interesting aspect of the new Kaveri-based APUs from AMD, in particularly the A10-7850K part, is how it improves mainstream gaming performance.  AMD has always stated that these APUs shake up the need for low-cost discrete graphics and when we got the new APU in the office we did a couple of quick tests to see how much validity there to that claim.

In this short video we compare the A10-7850K APU against a combination of the Intel Core i3-4330 and GeForce GT 630 discrete graphics card in five of 2013's top PC releases.  I think you'll find the results pretty interesting.

UPDATE: I've had some questions about WHICH of the GT 630 SKUs were used in this testing.  Our GT 630 was this EVGA model that is based on 96 CUDA cores and a 128-bit DDR3 memory interface.  You can see a comparison of the three current GT 630 options on NVIDIA's website here.

If you are looking for more information on AMD's Kaveri APUs you should check out my review of the A8-7600 part as well our testing of Dual Graphics with the A8-7600 and a Radeon R7 250 card.

January 29, 2014 | 03:55 PM - Posted by Eric (not verified)

Nice video :)
I would like to see some performance comaprison against a 640 or even a 650 maybe. How fast can you outperform the a10 7850k with a dedicated gpu and how much performace increase would you get ?

I am working on some plans for a new office and light gaming rig for my dad and would like to see how money i can save or not save.

It would also be rather interesting to see what roll the ram freq plays in the the whole apu world. Obviously more mhz is more fps but to what point is it worth it ?

Keep up the great work.
Love you guys (yes, full homo :D :D)

January 29, 2014 | 04:13 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Was thinking the exact same thing. GT 630 is a poor choice for discrete.

How does the APU fair against 640 or 650? As those are prob the bare minimum playable 1080p at a stable 30fps on at least medium settings on all those games above.

January 29, 2014 | 05:37 PM - Posted by JohnGR (not verified)

....against 660....670....680....780.....

You should have the final price in mind. You can't go much higher than those $170.

A combination of 750K with a 7750/640 or a Pentium cpu with a 7750/640 would have been a more valid comparison.

January 29, 2014 | 06:01 PM - Posted by arbiter

Agree'ed this is a what an 800 some core radeon gpu vs a nvidia card with only 96 cuda cores. its pretty clear how 1 sided this is.

January 29, 2014 | 06:40 PM - Posted by JohnGR (not verified)

512 cores, not 800, on 7850K and a huge memory bottleneck.
But you know something? 7850K is not a real problem for Nvidia. There are combination of Intel/AMD cpu and GT640 that maybe can beat 7850K. But who can beat 7600?

January 29, 2014 | 04:45 PM - Posted by Humanitarian

What was the reasoning behind the i3 and the 630? Price?

There a few dedicated setups you could chose from that are cheaper than the A10 and out perform it. Kinda skewed conclusion.

January 29, 2014 | 04:52 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

why not make this realistic for smart DIY builders and compare it to a 750K with a 7750 (or 7770) GDDR5 which is worth about the same money? (hey, if you save money with mem even a 7790 is realistic)
why use such a bad card like the 630? it's pretty poor value for gaming,

another point, using 2133 ram is pointeless without the IGP, so the DIY builder can save some $ going with 1333-1600 cheapo ram, and 16GB/z87 for the i3 is overkill anyway.

January 29, 2014 | 06:27 PM - Posted by arbiter

Agreed get cheaper lower speed ram, use $ saved for better gpu. Probably get a faster gpu with $ to beat the AMD gpu. 2133mhz ram benefits the amd IGP a ton were as the i3 with dedicated card it doesn't help it on anything noticeable. on newegg, 1333 mhz ram 16gb kit is 125$, 2133 is 160$. Sadly if you spend that much on ram for such low end you are bit of an idiot IMO.

January 29, 2014 | 05:09 PM - Posted by DiamondMines

It's all about budget and you get your answers. If AMD pulls this off in the future, GPUs will only be in CPUs. Bad luck for nVIDIA. Let's what's going to happen though.

January 29, 2014 | 06:27 PM - Posted by arbiter

That will never happen.

February 3, 2014 | 01:11 PM - Posted by teo (not verified)

Can you predict the future and you are sure that it will never happen?

January 29, 2014 | 05:25 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Nice review

January 29, 2014 | 05:47 PM - Posted by Patrick3D (not verified)

LOL, nice to see the Kaveri beating the snot out of Intel/nvidia for less $$.

January 29, 2014 | 06:29 PM - Posted by KittenMasher (not verified)

Ignoring that the cost of the RAM in those systems is almost half the total cost and is obviously used to prop up the performance of the a10.

January 29, 2014 | 06:52 PM - Posted by Wendigo (not verified)

Sooo.... you need to compare the with a relative expensive i3 when you can compare the 7850K against a i3 4130 (only 100 MHz slower than the 4330), and make a duo with this intel cpu and the cheapest GT 630 of the market.

All of this with useless options fot the intel option (for what you choose DDR3 2133 for this system, this option only beneficts the APU option, not the intel option, WHY you select a expensive motherboard with Z87 chipset, IF you chosen CPU isn´t OC capable, you only need a good H87/H85 motherboar, not this one of the "review").

In Europe, your "options" and prizes are very different of your review:

APU = 7850K 160€.

Intel + nvidia (YOUR option) = 115€ + 58€ = 173€, only 13€ more expensive than the AMD one.

Well, what happens when you make a very much sane option for the intel system?:

cpu -> i3 4130 101€, gpu -> GT 640 GDDR5 82€ OR a GT 650 96€ OR a HD7770 1 GB (yes, because intel can run with AMD cards!!) for 86€, if you want a cheaper card, a R7 250 for 77€.

these combinations:

4130 + 640 183€. Only 10€ more expensive, and 23€ more than the APU option (but very mucha faster one, too).

4130 + 650 197€. More expensive, but very clearly a faster option.

4130 + HD770 187€. 27€ for a lot more faster option than the APU, again.

4130 + R7 250 178€, only a marginally more expensive option, but much faster again that your crappy selection.

None of these options are more expensive than the theorical selection that you makes (30$).

So, if I made 4 selection better than you, and you are a reviewer with some common sense, then you are making this crappy selection for one reason. A very dark one.

By the way, all of these overcosts are crap when you select a expensive and useless motherboard for the intel (Z87? you are serious about this one?) and a kit of memos that doesn´t have any sense for this system (but It has sense with the APU). - 30-50$ in the overall price.

Crappy, crappy video review. You made a very interesting propaganda for "the House". Congratulations.

May 2, 2014 | 07:48 PM - Posted by misterbunny

And . . . Epic Fail!

Seriously, before you start trashing someone you need to get your facts straight - otherwise you just look like an idiot.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-r7-240-and-250,review-32874-7.html

See BF4 performance. The GT640 is 3 FPS SLOWER than the 7850K at 1920/medium preset.

Congratulations! The first one of your "4 better selections" is both SLOWER and MORE EXPENSIVE than the 7850K.

Also, something that the review didn't point out: the 7850K fits into very low profile HTPC cases, runs quieter than the Intel setup with a discrete card and also draws less power.

Intel CPU + low-end discrete GPU is a horrible alternative to the 7850K.

I run an Intel i5-4670K as my main work PC, so I am no AMD fanboy, but I have the AMD 7850K APU sitting under my TV as a SteamBox and media center.

January 29, 2014 | 07:02 PM - Posted by Tralalak (not verified)

Here in EU:

AMD A10-7850K Black Edition: 162,48 with VAT

vs.

Intel Pentium G3420 3.2GHz Haswell: 56,90 € + SAPPHIRE R7 260X OC 1GB DDR5 (6000MHz), 896SPs: 112,16 € = = = 169,06 € with VAT

January 29, 2014 | 07:07 PM - Posted by pdjblum

Great script. How many takes did it take to get it sounding so polished? No doubt, you and Ken must have had quite a few laughs doing this video. Nice job. Great comments above, especially from the folks in the EU.

January 29, 2014 | 09:19 PM - Posted by snook

I still get a kick out of these kind of responses. If AMD comes out ahead, they paid him. If nvidia comes out ahead, they paid him. Ironic.

He has to be rolling in payoffs. Break me off an R9 290X with that AMD money Ryan. lol

January 29, 2014 | 09:40 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Nvidia fanboys have already destroyed anandtech.com and techreport.com.

These fanboys are now damaging this great site.

They don't understand that 90% of the world population do not play games with their computing devices.

The AMD A10-7850K and A8-7600 APUs are not only for gaming but also for general purpose computing. The next generation of APUs will fit in FM2+ socket and be fully compliant with the HSA 1.0 specification.

http://cdn3.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/AMD-Kaveri-APU-856-G...

Oracle JDK 9 Java Virtual machine will take advantage of AMD's APUs. The HSA group is developing the software stack that will make parallel programming easier.

"The Performance Advantage of AMD APUs
The AMD APU combines the benefits of a CPU (Central Processing Unit) and a GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) into a single chip, for a high-performing, power-efficient platform.

Advantages of APUs:

Deliver a superior visual experience using the power of AMD Radeon™ graphics
Enable uncompromised visual experiences with long battery life
Support a wide range of form factors, from ultrathin and mainstream notebooks to all-in-one desktops
Enable devices that are both high-performing and affordable
Pave the way for next-generation applications such as facial recognition and gesture control"

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/hsa/Pages/hsa.aspx

http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-business/blog/2013/10/2...

Intel CPU and Nvidia GPUs are old technologies for NVidia and Intel fanboys.

January 30, 2014 | 04:12 PM - Posted by arbiter

By YOUR logic then just the intel 4130 is plenty for most people. If 90% of people don't game then you don't need to spend the extra $ on the amd a10 which makes what you said completely irrelevant. From your post you are an amd fan boy destroyer so really shouldn't talk.

January 30, 2014 | 08:24 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No need to attack me. Please watch the above video.

65W AMD A10-7800 and 65W/45W A8-7600 are going to be very popular with casual gamers or HTPC users. In few months, there will be several desktop as well as mobile Kaveri APUs for evereyone.

January 29, 2014 | 09:55 PM - Posted by Fishbait

I enjoyed the facts and do not (unlike many delusional people writing comments) believe you are biased. (in fact I like this site for it's impartial articles/reviews and ability to have a sense of humor)

I do have one issue with this video though, it sounds a bit like it was read from a book. One of the reasons I like the podcast is it's conversational nature, you guys just tell it like it is.

I'd rather you have bullet points on a sheet of paper, speak of them as you would normally, give an opinion or two (as many as you want really) then maybe give a rating or award (or not)

P.S. for a video, you can put in the clips and graphics in post so you can keep the conversational feel.

Keep up the good work though Ryan :D

January 30, 2014 | 11:50 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Until the price of "fast" RAM comes down to Earth then Kaveri doesn't look like an attractive option.

Currently, no matter how you slice it, you can build a rig with BOTH faster gaming and processing performance for the same money as any Kaveri rig.

Also I'm pretty sure there's a dart board somewhere at AMD with Ryan's face on it, so you guys can stop calling him an AMD fanboy. That's just ridiculous.

Out of all the sites I've been to, this is the most neutral.

Ryan stick to your gut man. If you have unbiased news to report for both AMD or Nvidia, then post it.

F*ck these guys.

January 30, 2014 | 12:40 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Ryan, this comparison is bullshit, you forgot to mention you need to use expensive DDR3 2400 which costs more than the Intel system.

January 30, 2014 | 04:18 PM - Posted by arbiter

yea, if you building a system on a the cheap, high speed ram is not gonna be something you will get. Most likely you will get 1333mhz or 1600mhz tops which will bottleneck the A10 down a bit. Can't remember the one graph shows differences between ram speeds on an apu if it was 1600 vs 2133 or 1600 vs 2400. I was sure it was vs 2133 though and that was like 22% or something. If a person used 1333 it would be pretty sizable performance loss. for system on cheap like that, 4-8gb ram is kinda tops and surely won't be 2133/2400mhz

February 3, 2014 | 01:54 PM - Posted by Ghosty (not verified)

Well all of you saying if you went for a lower spec CPU as in the i3 4130 and GT640 instead, ok I see your point the 630 was poor card to put it against but in the same view for the price the two paired together are a good price comparison and you can say that of the 4130 and the GT640.
But if you wanted more performance from the 7850K you could add an R7 240 or even a R7 250 down the line when budget suits to give games an extra boost, especially when you A) ramp up the system memory speed and B) have dual graphics.
Just remember this is a technology using one package to do all the features of multi-media making it easy to install and use, rather than use a low end cheaply made discrete card that will have a crap cooler on it and die with being used for games but using one package for everything will increase the lifespan due to it being cooled by a half decent heat sink I have had a few NVidia cards in my time and they die quite easily after a bit of use these include a Geforce 6800GT, Geforce 8400GS, Geforce 8500GT and a 9800GT after having all of these I switched to AMD and not one has died from use in games or any other application I have had a HD4850, HD4890, HD5850, HD6950 and now have a R9 280X I used to be a big fan of NVidia but now know and have learned that they suck..........the same with intel could be said though yeah sure enough they may have amazing CPU's out there but the price tag that goes with them is basically for those who can afford it to say mine was more expensive and better than yours and then do not even use it to its full ability or only do web browsing they deserve a slap and be told go and get a tablet, lets put our money into a company that does more for there customers this is why I support AMD throughout my entire system spectrum......

March 16, 2014 | 11:57 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

All these biased comments about RAM pricing is silly.

Newegg cheapest 1600 RAM is 62.99
Cheapest 2133 is 69.99
Cheapest 2400 76.99

Neither would be in any system I built so lets look at semi decent RAM
Cheapest 1600 GSkill Ripjaws 79.99
Cheapest 2133 GSkill Sniper +$1
Cheapest 2400 GSkill Sniper 84.99
Cheapest 2666 Corsair Vengeance 99.99

So where is this DRASTIC price difference in RAM that so many of you are touting???

Oh I know it's just make believe fiction to fool people into thinking APU's have to use "expensive" RAM to be useful.

$1 difference between 1600 and 2133 Gskill...

$7 difference at the cheapest crap newegg has to offer.

Oh my it will break the low budget gamer's build and completely bankrupt him...

June 19, 2014 | 09:45 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

the review was just considering cpu threads and pricing.

but if you'll consider bang for buck solution(one reason ppl go with apus but this latest gen apu was way too overpriced) you can get better setup to compete with the 7850k.

a pentium g3220 and a 100$ gpu will beat or be on par with 7850k in my opinion.

this blog was downright marketing the 7850k. the best kaveri chip amd has to offer is the a8 7600 and it isnt out there yet. they hold it off coz they know for a fact it can perform a little less than 7850k for a much lower price. they need to sell the 7850k to the unknowing ppl before they release the a8 7600.

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