SEIKI SE50UY04 50-in 4K 3840x2160 TV Unboxing and Preview

Subject: General Tech, Graphics Cards, Displays | April 18, 2013 - 05:52 PM |
Tagged: video, seiki, se50UY04, hdtv, hdmi 1.4, displays, 4k, 3840x2160

This just in!  We have a 4K TV in the PC Perspective Offices!

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While we are still working on the ability to test graphics card performance at this resolution with our Frame Rating capture system, we decided to do a live stream earlier today as we unboxed, almost dropped and then eventually configured our new 4K TV. 

The TV in question?  A brand new SEIKI SE50UY04 50-in 3840x2160 ready display.  Haven't heard of it?  Neither have we.  I picked it up over the weekend from TigerDirect for $1299, though it actually a bit higher now at $1499.

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The TV itself is pretty unassuming and other than looking for the 4K label on the box you'd be hard pressed to discern it from other displays.  It DID come with a blue, braided UHD-ready HDMI cable, so there's that.

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One point worth noting is that the stand on the TV is pretty flimsy; there was definitely wobble after installation and setup.

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Connecting the TV to our test system was pretty easy - only a single HDMI cable was required and the GeForce GTX 680s in SLI we happened to have on our test bed recognized it as a 3840x2160 capable display.  Keep in mind that you are limited to a refresh rate of 30 Hz though due to current limitations of HDMI 1.4.  The desktop was clear and sharper and if you like screen real estate...this has it. 

The first thing we wanted to try was some 4K video playback and we tried YouTube videos, some downloaded clips we found scattered across the Internet and a couple of specific examples I had been saving.  Isn't that puppy cute?  It was by far the best picture I had seen on a TV that close up - no other way to say it.

We did have issues with video playback in some cases due to high bit rates.  In one case we had a YUV uncompressed file that was hitting our SSD so hard on read speeds that we saw choppiness.  H.265 save us!

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And of course we demoed some games as well - Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, Skyrim and Tomb Raider.  Each was able to run at 3840x2160 without any complaints or INI hacks.  They all looked BEAUTIFUL when in a still position but we did notice some flickering on the TV that might be the result of the 120 Hz interpolation and possibly the "dynamic luminance control" feature that SEIKI has. 

We'll definitely test some more on this in the coming days to see if we can find a solution as I know many PC gamers are going to be excited about the possibility of using this as a gaming display!  We are working on a collection of benchmarks on some of the higher end graphics solutions like the GeForce TITAN, GTX 680s, HD 7990 and HD 7970s!

If you want to check out the full experience of our unboxing and first testing, check out the full live stream archived below!!

 

April 21, 2013 | 06:34 PM - Posted by Spawn (not verified)

That resolution seems like a sweet spot as far as day to day use, gaming, web browsing and working. Yes it's scaled but at 3840x2160 everything was just too small. I am very happy with it, 30hz is not an issue for me as I played most of my games in 3D at 24hz. I do notice the flashing issue at 3840x2160 on the youtube 4K videos but not as much on the Timescapes & Sintel 4K videos. I do not see anything in the menu to split the display like the Sharp 32k by joining to inputs.

April 21, 2013 | 08:15 PM - Posted by awgamer (not verified)

"30hz is not an issue for me"

You couldn't get it to do 60hz?

April 21, 2013 | 08:24 PM - Posted by Spawn (not verified)

No, I could only get it to 31hz as HDMI 1.4b only does 30hz at 3840x2160 until HDMI 2.0 gets released.

April 21, 2013 | 09:53 PM - Posted by katamari (not verified)

TN panel?

April 22, 2013 | 02:45 AM - Posted by Tony (not verified)

Should be Super MVA panel from Chi Mei Innolux

http://www.panelook.com/V500DK1-LS1_Innolux_50_LCM_parameter_17279.html

April 22, 2013 | 08:14 AM - Posted by freespace303 (not verified)

What's required to do this resolution at a higher native hertz? Displayport? Thunderbolt?

April 22, 2013 | 09:11 AM - Posted by awgamer (not verified)

> No, I could only get it to 31hz as HDMI 1.4b only does 30hz at 3840x2160 until HDMI 2.0 gets released.

If you're displaying at a lower resolution with the monitor upscaling the image to full screen, you're not doing 3840x2160 across HDMI.

April 22, 2013 | 09:25 AM - Posted by Spawn (not verified)

I am running it at 2560x1440 31hz custom res through Nvidia control panel for my day to day stuff and then change it to 3840x2160 30hz to watch 4K content. The 2560x1440 res is perfect for gaming and basic web browsing etc. on SLI GTX660 SC's.

May 5, 2013 | 12:06 PM - Posted by Skye (not verified)

So how are you getting this TV to work at All ?

I have 2 gtx690s in sli and currently have 2 1080p 47" in a dual screen setup...
I do a lot of digital design stuff and was absolutely thrilled that these monitors were sub 5 grand and jumped on them ...
only to find out I can't get them to work ... 8(

I am currently using the DVI to Hdmi adapters that came with the cards, but I can't get the Tvs to work at full Rez, not even at 30Hz ..
they are detecting as 720p native rez and I can set them to 1080p but both look fuzzy as its not the true Rez.

What cables or adapters are you using ??

May 5, 2013 | 12:06 PM - Posted by Skye (not verified)

So how are you getting this TV to work at All ?

I have 2 gtx690s in sli and currently have 2 1080p 47" in a dual screen setup...
I do a lot of digital design stuff and was absolutely thrilled that these monitors were sub 5 grand and jumped on them ...
only to find out I can't get them to work ... 8(

I am currently using the DVI to Hdmi adapters that came with the cards, but I can't get the Tvs to work at full Rez, not even at 30Hz ..
they are detecting as 720p native rez and I can set them to 1080p but both look fuzzy as its not the true Rez.

What cables or adapters are you using ??

April 22, 2013 | 10:08 AM - Posted by awgamer (not verified)

Have you tried a custom res with a higher refresh?

April 22, 2013 | 11:25 AM - Posted by Spawn (not verified)

I tried but 31hz was as high as it would go. I use a high DPI mouse and don't even notice the lower refresh while surfing or playing games. It depends on what's more important to you Bigger or Faster. Bigger is better for me :)I just wish it was 3D or that another manufacturer would announce an affordable 3D 4K tv for around $1500.

April 24, 2013 | 08:12 AM - Posted by Pat (not verified)

how well does this work in non gaming situations I am a power user running multiple desk top apps on dual 24 inch monitors 1920 x 1200. Do you see this as a possible upgrade? It would occupy the same amount of horizontal space and be taller .... effectively nearly doubling my screen area.

April 25, 2013 | 06:20 AM - Posted by Great_Big_Abyss (not verified)

Why can't they put a DVI-D on there? Would solve the limitations of HDMI 1.4...!

April 25, 2013 | 08:23 AM - Posted by jeremy (not verified)

Hi guys can you run Monitor Asset Manger from Entech on your screen? here are the results I get.. Does not seem to really be 4k.

Monitor
Model name............... SE50IY04
Manufacturer............. SEK
Plug and Play ID......... SEK0000
Serial number............ 1
Manufacture date......... 2013, ISO week 9
Filter driver............ None
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital (DVI)
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1100 x 620 mm (49.7 in)
Power management......... Standby
Extension blocs.......... 1 (Reserved - 0x00)
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.650 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.290 - Gy 0.610
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.070
White point (default).... Wx 0.272 - Wy 0.275
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 24-60kHz
Vertical scan range...... 50-75Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 110MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1440x900p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1440x900" 106.500 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 960p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Report information
Date generated........... 4/25/2013
Software revision........ 2.60.0.972
Data source.............. Real-time 0x0100
Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1

Raw data
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12,45,46,AD,CE,00,81,40,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,1E,20,6E,28,
55,00,B9,88,21,00,00,1E,9A,29,A0,D0,51,84,22,30,50,98,36,00,B9,88,21,00,00,1C,00,00,00,FD,00,32,
4B,18,3C,0B,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,53,45,35,30,49,59,30,34,0A,20,20,20,20,01,1E

April 29, 2013 | 08:20 AM - Posted by traumadisaster

Just ordered one. interested in lots of follow up. Will u be posting in new articles soon. I dont want to miss it. Thanks for being on the bleeding edge with this early preview.

May 1, 2013 | 01:15 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Coming soon: Lord of the Rings, Extended 4K Edition Trilogy on 24 disks...

May 4, 2013 | 07:06 AM - Posted by Chad Dyle (not verified)

I'm seriously considering buying this, but I wouldn't be able to connect it to my iMac right now and edit. I have a Black Magic 4K camera on preorder and wanted a 4K set to be able to view the final edit. I think the best part about this TV is whatever the shortcomings are, all of the other TV manufacturers know that there is an inexpensive option for all of us. I'm sure that generation 2 of this TV will fix a lot of issues.

May 5, 2013 | 12:07 PM - Posted by Skye (not verified)

So how are you getting this TV to work at All ?

I have 2 gtx690s in sli and currently have 2 1080p 47" in a dual screen setup...
I do a lot of digital design stuff and was absolutely thrilled that these monitors were sub 5 grand and jumped on them ...
only to find out I can't get them to work ... 8(

I am currently using the DVI to Hdmi adapters that came with the cards, but I can't get the Tvs to work at full Rez, not even at 30Hz ..
they are detecting as 720p native rez and I can set them to 1080p but both look fuzzy as its not the true Rez.

What cables or adapters are you using ??

May 8, 2013 | 02:46 AM - Posted by drbaltazar (not verified)

Till Microsoft fix color management (or someone create a non-crt sRGB that would fix scrgb issue I dont see the point of getting this .the problem aren't the screen the problem is black scaling white Scaling and gamma.color .org supply a partial fix black are non scaled or scaled depending on the need. White scale tho is still a problem and I ain't even started on color precision.if say you got a value of 255 and your screen can only do 252 (all unit after CRT are like this)the scale isn't in 255 increment within the say 4 to 251 avail range .add percepetual and you get the awfully game image we see

May 8, 2013 | 03:01 AM - Posted by drbaltazar (not verified)

You scanned dvi .its the HDMI supplied you need or better.also this unit is ycbcr.for movie it will need to e set in graphic card at ycbcr 4.2.2 and for game at ycbcr 4.4.4.try getting the ycbcr from seiki or Sony(make sure you use the color profile seiki recommend .do not use scrgb .the sRGB part isn't fixed yet .get ycbcr from Sony instead (this unit is probably non-srgb)(mean ycbcr)this should avail you with awesome graphic and video quality.

May 8, 2013 | 03:09 AM - Posted by drbaltazar (not verified)

Might need to communicate directly with seiki and mention you want to game with this unit they ll say what to do and tweak.might even provide additional software.(write to them in their own language (bing translate)and also in English to make sure there is no misinterpretation.corp usually supply the most basic software but have ton of tweak avail most of the time when asked.

May 8, 2013 | 08:37 AM - Posted by drbaltazar (not verified)

Ok !i think i found how tout fixe the quality issue I have .I all test tonight.basicly the gamma as to be set at GPU to 2.2 !suppodly a linear vs non-linear mathematical issue at improper time(GPU does this the proper way (why do they call a GPU a renderer tho )anyway .if you still have this screen around might want to test this (only game was affected for me )would be nice if you did a short video.keep up the good work pcper crew.

May 8, 2013 | 02:40 PM - Posted by Ro (not verified)

I got this tv yesterday, its pretty sweet but I was back and forth with NVidia and we found out that the tv needs a firmware update that fixes the 120 hz / 120 Fps Flicker Glitch that goes on, seems to also help if u switch to its native resolution at 768p and then delete all made custom resolutions in NVidia settings and then going from 768p to 1080p 120hz it will accept it and seems not glitch as much as far as I Can see now, also if your recording with fraps or action you might want to shut those aps down. It does support 120hz though. But I think a firmware update or driver update or even hdmi 2.0 will maybe fix the flickering / flickering when using fraps or action Im using 1 GTX 660 and planning to do dual sli gtx 660's to get 60 FPS on 4k, right now im pulling 30FPS steady on 4k with just one gtx 660 2GB. Im also using windows 8 64 bit, Also maybe windows service pack / new windows os might fix this issue who knows. bad that's the bad part about the tv and if you go to seiki's firmware section they do NOT firmware upgrade yet, I guess we just have to wait and see. But overall im happy with it. Also there is not much flickering when your gaming. Here is my report on the monitor though

Model name............... SE50IY04
Manufacturer............. SEK
Plug and Play ID......... SEK0000
Serial number............ 1
Manufacture date......... 2013, ISO week 9
Filter driver............ None
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital (DVI)
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1100 x 620 mm (49.7 in)
Power management......... Standby
Extension blocs.......... 1 (Reserved - 0x00)
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.650 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.290 - Gy 0.610
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.070
White point (default).... Wx 0.272 - Wy 0.275
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 24-60kHz
Vertical scan range...... 50-75Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 110MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1440x900p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1440x900" 106.500 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 960p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Report information
Date generated........... 5/8/2013
Software revision........ 2.60.0.972
Data source.............. Real-time 0x4600
Operating system......... 6.2.9200.2

-------------------------------------------------

Also Monitor Asset Manager and refresh rate multi tool are helpful tools

May 8, 2013 | 02:40 PM - Posted by Ro (not verified)

I got this tv yesterday, its pretty sweet but I was back and forth with NVidia and we found out that the tv needs a firmware update that fixes the 120 hz / 120 Fps Flicker Glitch that goes on, seems to also help if u switch to its native resolution at 768p and then delete all made custom resolutions in NVidia settings and then going from 768p to 1080p 120hz it will accept it and seems not glitch as much as far as I Can see now, also if your recording with fraps or action you might want to shut those aps down. It does support 120hz though. But I think a firmware update or driver update or even hdmi 2.0 will maybe fix the flickering / flickering when using fraps or action Im using 1 GTX 660 and planning to do dual sli gtx 660's to get 60 FPS on 4k, right now im pulling 30FPS steady on 4k with just one gtx 660 2GB. Im also using windows 8 64 bit, Also maybe windows service pack / new windows os might fix this issue who knows. bad that's the bad part about the tv and if you go to seiki's firmware section they do NOT firmware upgrade yet, I guess we just have to wait and see. But overall im happy with it. Also there is not much flickering when your gaming. Here is my report on the monitor though

Model name............... SE50IY04
Manufacturer............. SEK
Plug and Play ID......... SEK0000
Serial number............ 1
Manufacture date......... 2013, ISO week 9
Filter driver............ None
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital (DVI)
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1100 x 620 mm (49.7 in)
Power management......... Standby
Extension blocs.......... 1 (Reserved - 0x00)
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.650 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.290 - Gy 0.610
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.070
White point (default).... Wx 0.272 - Wy 0.275
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 24-60kHz
Vertical scan range...... 50-75Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 110MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1440x900p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1440x900" 106.500 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
720 x 400p at 70Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480p at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480p at 75Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600p at 75Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 960p at 60Hz - VESA STD

Report information
Date generated........... 5/8/2013
Software revision........ 2.60.0.972
Data source.............. Real-time 0x4600
Operating system......... 6.2.9200.2

-------------------------------------------------

Also Monitor Asset Manager and refresh rate multi tool are helpful tools

May 9, 2013 | 02:54 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Props on the shirt with Elephants and the ATAT!

May 9, 2013 | 07:30 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

would this tv be good for playing xbox 360 (without hdmi) on it, or is there a better tv out there for a better deal? please respond

May 11, 2013 | 11:30 AM - Posted by Tim Creed (not verified)

Leo Laporte the Tech Guy just gave this article a shout out on his radio show! I just might pick this up.

June 10, 2013 | 08:59 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

a Nvidia Quadro 600 will run this at 3840x2160 @30 hz if you make a custom resolution using the Nvidia control panel.
Desktop is a little grainy. However was able to calibrate the display and pull up greyscale images with fairly good contrast ratios.

June 16, 2013 | 05:51 AM - Posted by Dan (not verified)

Can someone identify the pixel pitch on this monitor? Guessing 0.27mm range?

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