Metro could soon be retro; Windows 8.1's final patch

Subject: General Tech | July 21, 2014 - 11:12 AM |
Tagged: win 8.1, microsoft

Windows 8 and 8.1, non-update 1 version, are already essentially EoL with only limited support offered those rare businesses which deployed the new version of Windows.  If the rumours that The Inquirer have been hearing are correct then Service Pack Update 2 will be arrive on August 12th and herald the end of Windows 8.1 updates a mere two years after release.  Win 8.1 U2 will probably be with us for a while, the release of Win 9 is rumoured to be about 12 months away still and the Metro version is likely to appear on mobile devices for a while now.  It is extremely unlikely that the Start Menu will be included in this update but for those who are running Win 8.1 U1 it is worth considering turning off Automatic Updates if you are worried about encountering boot issues similar to what happened during the initial push of 8.1 U1. 

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"MICROSOFT WILL RELEASE the second and final update for Windows 8.1 as part of Patch Tuesday in August, rumours have claimed."

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July 21, 2014 | 12:07 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

It's a good idea to avoid the 8.* TIFKAM NOID, and wait for win 9, but why not stick with 7, until 2020, and give M$ the final kissoff. Until then, here's to dual booting 7, with that Linux destro that suits your needs, or run a VM and keep the legacy M$ 7 OS that you may need for legacy applications, running for longer, all be it in a more locked down state inside of a VM. M$ may be forced to keep windows 7 support running a little longer, XP style, and this is M$'s own doing with their constant good OS/Bad OS antics over the last 2 decades.

Here is to also hoping that discrete GPU makers start converting those PCI based GPUs into complete gaming systems, and running games, gaming engines, and gaming OSs(STEAM) all on the low latency Shared GPU/CPU die, with large on die RAMs, fat data busses, and whole gaming PCI based systems tuned for gaming. this would leave the motherboard CPU a non factor in gaming, other than to provide support, and running the general purpose OS/VM and what ever OS's not for gaming in a VM. The Home computing Cluster is not to far off in the future, running an expandable system(blade Style, or other) and allowing the user to add additional CPU/GPU resources by filling additional slots, with complete computing, or gaming PCI based cards. Nvidia could do well creating a Home Server/computing cluster around the Power8, and its Discrete GPUs, it is already developing such with IBM for server workloads, with its GPU on a silicon substrate Mezzanine Module, with an uber wide system BUS, On module with the power8. AMD better get working with something like this, with a Power8 license, and better Linux support, for all you product lines. The WINTEL of the past will not be able to stop the future, or keep the market under its dualopolistic control!

July 21, 2014 | 12:52 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Have any thoughts on 9/11 or The Bilderberg Group you'd like to share, too?

July 21, 2014 | 01:57 PM - Posted by Shambles (not verified)

And next to these youtube comments we can see Exhibit B: The lowest common denominator of an internet comment.

July 21, 2014 | 02:34 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No 9/11 or Bilderberg Group, who ever the hell that is, But for dualolopies, that have in the past, screwed the device OEMs, well, the goes around, is now coming around, and in spite of the government lack of a backbone from many administration's Justice Department antitrust divisions over the past 4 decades, the monolithic OS and CPU companies are now getting their just rewards.

The Licensed IP market model, as practiced by ARM holdings, is beginning to take over the high performance server CPU/SOC market as well. There is no stopping the total commodification of the CPU/SOC market, and everyone will have the ability to license the Power8/Power line of High Performance CPUs, from IBM's OpenPower foundation! As with IBM's forcing the cross licensing of the x86 CPU market, in order to assure IBM, of the most competitively low supply of CPU parts for its PCs, at the dawn of the whole PC market, the commodification of all CPUs/SOCs across the entire market, High and low, will put the OEM's back in the driver seat. IBM is merely getting the Power/Power8 IP/ISA out there, and incubating and cross-pollinating the market, in order for IBM to have a low cost supply of Power/power8 server parts, like IBM had with its PC CPU parts, way back before there was a back in the day in the PC world. This is simply supply/procurement economics, for IBM, that will have an unintended result of bringing competition to the high end CPU/server market, IBM makes their money on servers and services for those servers, more so than money from the server hardware, which is better for all OEMs and consumers supplied at commodity pricing. There is no illuminati, or conspiracy at paly here, just supply economics, And the OS, and CPU suppliers are going to be returned to their rightful role, as suppliers to the OEMs, and Intel was never able to have such control over IBM, in fact there is such little high margins in the x86 server market for IBM, that they have sold of their x86 server business, and there will be such commodification of the CPU/SOC market that IBM will be becoming fabless in the near future, except for their research fabs. Power8 is not to be confused with PowerPC, and Power/Power8 at commodity pricing will be Intel's worst nightmare!

The Licensed IP model, will bring commodity pricing to all CPU/SOC markets, IBM will be more than happy to leave the CPU/SOC hardware fabrication market, at this point in time and allow an entire industry build up around Power/Power8, which IBM will license to any and all, as will IBM be more than happy to let an entire market ecosystem emerge around the Power/Power8 IP, IBM still has its mainframe business, and its proprietary server OS business built on Power/Power8, which IBM will not be sharing, the rest of the market will be running Power/Power8 on Linux, and doing just fine with that. IBM will be more than happy to allow an entire industry of Power/power8 licensees compete for the business of fabricating IBM's Power8 parts for its internal CPU part needs, with REAL competition comes commodity pricing, just look at the ARM based mobile industry. This happened in the Auto Industry, it will happen in the CPU/SOC industry with parts suppliers, the lowest bidder wins the contract, get out there and compete Intel, and M$, but your high margin days are coming to an END!

Any company that makes/licenses CPU/SOC IP/ISA better get with Power8, as well as ARM, and a few that have an X86 license would do well having ARM, and Power8, and any other ISA/IP that can make money, Nvidia, and AMD, this means you, and others as well, Power8 could Give Nvidia something that Intel, would not, a license to compete in the high performance CPU market! Apple sure must be looking at Power8, Google sure is, welcome to the commoditized SOC/CPU world, shudder in fear! mighty Chipzilla! M$ your OS dominance days are over, like a tossed and broken executive chair, rusted red from monkeyboy sweat, what OS runs MOST of those servers and supercomputers!

July 21, 2014 | 06:25 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

and enough already with the essays

July 22, 2014 | 07:29 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

But it's so much fun watching the fat lumbering Chipzilla beast turn over on its side, and moan in agony, its food source dried up, and all those little ARM creatures beginning to feed on the delicious profits, while Power8 shows up and takes a large chunk out of those high margin profits, the Licensed IP epoch has just begun, could extinction be too far off for the high margin creatures. How's that contra revenue working out for you chipzilla, not so good, OEMs remember the rings through their noses, and the pain of having been dragged through the muck of the unfair market! All that bad karma needs to be balanced out, and the scales are tipping, for good, in favor of the total commodification of the CPU/SOC market, high end and low end. Time for mere suppliers of parts to return to their rightful roles, as supplicants to the OEMs and Consumers!

July 22, 2014 | 03:56 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Turn over on its side? Stock is up 50% this year. They're printing money and have huge margins. Their tech is far ahead of anything IBM has to offer. This Power8 is a pipe dream right now and I don't understand how you believe the world is going to change as soon as its released. Either you work for IBM or you are naïve. If by moaning in agony you mean rolling in endless cash, ill take Intel's position any time.

July 22, 2014 | 07:07 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Power, has been around for a while, but now it is going to be licensed like ARM, and Google will be the first, among many to take advantage of the cost savings, and performance of Power8, and no I am not an IBM employee, just a fan of the licensed IP business model, and the commodity pricing it will bring to the high performance CPU market. Intel has cash for sure, but how much longer before the funds run out, and the stockholders, so accustomed to the high margins, look for greener pastures. And revenues and profits are Kind of flat for Chipzilla, and the mobile market is a tough market to crack for the beast. What about those new Chip fabs, sitting empty, the equipment never purchased, just empty buildings. Apple is producing record profits on their Custom Apple microarchitecture SOCs that run the ARMv8 ISA, and that is just the Apple A7, the A8 is waiting in the wings, and Apple stands to make more billions with products that leave Intel out of the loop. Apple surely has the in house SOC engineers to take the Power8 ISA and make it work for Apple, and the Mac Pro, and the Power8 will eat Xeon's lunch. And many of the latest chip fabrication innovations came to the market via IBM's research labs, and leading microprocessor technologies! I am sure Apple is not too pleased about Intel's broadwell release delays, but just you wait and see the future of Licensed IP, and Power8 for Apple, especially when Apple can control its laptop, and workstation CPU development and supply chain in house, sans the Intel high margins, and Apple is not afraid to switch when the equations add up. Apple would have little or no need to rejigger the Power8 reference designs for its Mac Pro lines, maybe a little for the MacBooks, but Apple can very well make the switch.

This is more about commodification in the overall market, of supply chains, and the economys of scale that are too large for even Intel, or any monolithic CPU/SOC maker. Considering your accusations, it appears more likely, that you are not defending Intel for no reason, other...

There are many out the still trying to compare Intel, to ARM Holdings(A design bureau That does not make that CPUs it designs), and are not comparing Intel, to an entire ARM based industry, and there will be many in the ARM based industry that will have custom microarchitecture designs, that run the ARMv8 ISA, but are much more powerful than even ARM holdings' reference designs, the Apple A7 comes to mind, with execution resources more like a core i series CPU. It's Intel vs (Apple's, Samsung's, Qualcomm's, Nvidia's, and even AMD's, others) versions of SOCs that will run the ARMv8 instruction set architecture(ISA). Power8 will find its designs used, on the high end, like ARM designs(reference, and custom) are use across the mobile market, a market that Intel can not get control of at the moment, if ever.

July 21, 2014 | 06:24 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

what is it with you and this Power 8 BS, if people wanted power 8 they would be using it

July 22, 2014 | 07:48 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

It's not Power8, that the world would want for its power alone, but Power8, at commodity pricing, that the market will demand, and at ARM style thin margins. Google sure can turn Power8 into a profitable endeavor for the many companies that will provide the chip fabrication lines for Google's supply of Power8 parts, the system integration, and other contracted services that will spring up around Power8, like the services have around the ARM ISA and ecosystem. It's the Googles, Facebooks, Samsungs, and Apples of the world that will be taking Power8 and using The IP/ISA, custom made for these companies at prices approaching Zero margins, compared to anything that chipzilla could possibly offer. There will be enterprises competing for Google's business, providing the necessary engineering and other services, that Google will contract out to the low bidder, as Google, and others begin to bring Power8 on line, as well as ARM, and x86 for whatever server loads are best handled by each ISA, at the lowest possible prices, pricing the will remove any high margin profits from the CPU/SOC market.

July 21, 2014 | 04:30 PM - Posted by Goofus Maximus (not verified)

With the shortest lifespan of any version of Windows I can think of, they should really offer a free upgrade to Windows 9 for all Windows 8.X users.

July 21, 2014 | 05:05 PM - Posted by JackReacher (not verified)

Two Words: Millennium Edition.

Windows ME. Worst windows ever to release (even worse than Windows 8 and Vista), also had on record the shortest life span.

July 21, 2014 | 05:44 PM - Posted by collie

Never speak those words again!

July 21, 2014 | 05:05 PM - Posted by JackReacher (not verified)

Two Words: Millennium Edition.

Windows ME. Worst windows ever to release (even worse than Windows 8 and Vista), also had on record the shortest life span.

July 21, 2014 | 05:50 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Why windows 9, just stay with 7, on new computers when 9 comes, then maybe, but no having to get a windows store account to register the OS, and No windows updates through the windows store, keep it like 7, and M$ should not expect users to be bound to a closed ecosystem. 7 will do fine for most people until its end of life. What M$ needs is a good dose of less market share, and hopefully Steam OS will start that trend. M$ is too much like Lucy, always pulling the pigskin out before the always gullible Charlie gets a chance to kick it! No More M$ duplicity, just listen to Linus and give M$ the finger! the Steam(Debian) finger for gaming, and other Linux applications.

July 21, 2014 | 09:07 PM - Posted by Goofus Maximus (not verified)

The thing about Steam OS, is that I'm afraid it will come on Valve Time, which means we'll see it some time after the release of Halflife 3... :p

July 22, 2014 | 08:11 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

That's OK Steam OS is just another Debian distro, just get Debian stable, and the Steam components can be added later. Most people will dual Boot Steam OS with Windows 7, and go from there, until 7's EOL. It's not hard to see that dual booting will be around for a while, and Discrete GPUs will probably evolve into complete SOC/gaming systems, running their own gaming optimized OSs on the PCI card, and freeing the motherboard CPU up to run a VM, and what ever OSs the user needs, while the PCI based gaming system chugs along with its own gaming SOC and OS, running unhindered, and un-starved for CPU cycles, buy the VM running on the motherboard CPU. The Home computing cluster is just around the corner, providing the whole house with its streaming services, to Tablets/laptops/phones/TVs, whatever device available will be able to automatically receive the home server cluster's services, once the device is paired up to the server. It will be automatic asymmetrical home multiprocessing, and the user will be able to game on a tablet, or other device, at the highest resolution, with the Ultra settings, at the highest framerate, with the home computing cluster providing the automatic load balancing and extra processing power.

July 22, 2014 | 04:50 AM - Posted by J.Nevins (not verified)

Shortest lifespan? Are you kidding?

PC Per both regurgitating The Inquirer and advising people to turn off windows updates really isn't a good look.

Poorly written and ought to be corrected -

"Update 2 will be arrive on August 12th and herald the end of Windows 8.1 update a mere two years after release."

Windows 8.1 was release October 2013, not even a year ago. Perhaps you mean 8.0?

July 22, 2014 | 11:06 AM - Posted by Jeremy Hellstrom

Thanks for catching that, I missed an s  in that sentence and it should have been the end of Windows 8.1 updates ... I will fix it.

As to warning people about turning off Auto Updates not looking good? That is something I have been preaching about all software, not just OSes, for well over a decade; maybe you missed that?

 

Thanks for reading

July 22, 2014 | 07:29 AM - Posted by JasJ002 (not verified)

We're at an interesting crossroads for Microsoft. Granted, Windows 9 should be fairly easy, assuming they maintain the majority of backend of 8, and fix the front end, it'll be considered a decent OS. That said they've screwed up horrendously before.

They're at a crossroads, because 9 comes out in April. That means less than 5 years until 7 is dead. Now, they won't come out with another OS for a while, otherwise they just look like their spinning their wheels. If 9 fails, it could potentially open up the door for Steam to take a large market share. Users won't stand for another bad OS and more will adopt a dual boot machine in preparation for Microsofts potential downfall. With an increased user base developers begin to jump on board, and suddenly steam machines become the real deal. This is a big if though for 9 failing, and obviously there are different levels of failure. Don't forget there are a lot of people who hated 7 when it first came out.

July 22, 2014 | 07:32 AM - Posted by YTech

Putting aside the Metro interface, I find Window 8/8.1 to have higher performance than Windows 7 for newer products (most things released in 2013+).

From rumours, Windows 9 will highly rely on Network Access. Which is sad for most people (I do many offline task and ISP quality has gone worst).

At this time, should you invest in Windows 8/8.1 or wait for Windows 9?
Linux is great (free), but many software (old/new) don't run on Linux.

Let's hope to have clarified answers soon...

July 22, 2014 | 12:43 PM - Posted by mebby (not verified)

I agree. My experience with Win8/8.1 has been much better than Win7. My Win7 computer is now faster and more stable.

I use a Win8 tablet so I appreciate the Metro UI. On my desktop PC, I stay within the desktop about 95 percent of the time. No big deal; no jarring change. I now use the Win8 Mail app (or Outlook.com) because is it easy to use.

Since it seems Windows 9 is going to free to Win 8/8.1 users, the key will be a low price for Win7 users ($30 to $40 at most).

I tried Linux on a desktop years ago - it was a freaking pain. I am sure it is better now but I will likely just buy inexpensive windows desktops and Win/iOS/Android tablets/phone.

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