Intel's Bay Trail (-T) can ARM Wrestle. Leaked Benchmarks.

Subject: General Tech, Processors, Mobile | July 5, 2013 - 12:50 PM |
Tagged: qualcomm, Intel, Bay Trail-T, Bay Trail

Bay Trail is still seasons away but engineering samples are, and this should be no surprise, already in use at least for research and development purposes. Someone, somewhere down the line, decided to run a benchmark which was posted online. AnTuTu, the benchmark utilized, measures a spread of factors including memory, integer performance, floating point performance, 3D performance, and so forth. Unfortunately it does also include some non-CPU/GPU factors in its score, albeit barely, so best take it with a grain of salt.

The Droid Guy compiled it with a few scores from competing, ARM, devices.

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The Silvermont-based chip, clocked at an... actually quite modest 1101 MHz, received a synthetic score of 43416. To put that in comparison: arguably the fastest ARM processor on the market, the Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800, tends to find itself with a score around the 30,000-32,000 range which is about 27-31% slower than Intel. The very popular albeit soon deprecated Nexus 7, powered by the Tegra 3, scores 12726.

Personally, I am getting a little flashback of the Intel vs. AMD battle about 8 years ago. We seem to be close to a Conroe (Core 2 Duo) vs. AMD Athlon 64 FX point between Intel and ARM. Intel eclipsed the AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 (update: I meant FX-62) and kept throwing more money at research than AMD could possibly afford. Unless ARM can severely undercut Bay Trail, Intel could follow past trends and simply bury their competitors with tens of billions in capital investment until their products are so far ahead that consumers default to Intel products.

If history repeats itself, this leaves Qualcomm and others in a difficult position. The solution seems to be either to tread water in a price point that Intel ignores or to collectively dump money into ARM and run the "out-research Intel" treadmill. Remember, this is a company who will dump twice AMD's revenue into their Research and Development year-over-year to keep ahead. Unlike Intel's GPU efforts, which did not seem like a problem that cash could solve alone, they know how to make processors.

I would not make business decisions under the assumption x86 will keep Intel hobbled indefinitely.

July 6, 2013 | 01:19 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Lol people don't care about battery life....just so freaking funny...and clueless.

If people only cared about super high performance why are desktops going the way of the dinosaurs? The only people who care are the hardware enthusiasts. A very small niche.

July 7, 2013 | 07:55 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

If a server farms were run by your logic, the server services company would be bankrupt on power bills! Do you even know what it costs for the power to run a big server site! Do you think that all the money these multibillion dollar companys make comes from people like you, in your mothers basement playing on you gaming rig, the money to develop your gaming rig CPUs comes from mostly the sales to the server industry and enterprises, these "poeple" you speak for only make up a small fraction of the market, and the main theme of this article, is about mobile, where power usage and cost rule!

Your Mommy's Basement World View shows, and you are so Butthurt over the reality, Intel no longer will rule!

July 5, 2013 | 10:20 PM - Posted by iAMunderDog (not verified)

Bay Trail is nothing special, Intel will have a slight lead in terms of CPU performance but in GPU it will get oblitirated with ease. Bay Trail specs leaked and AMDs Temash wil keep pressuring Bay Trail.

I looked at specs, Bay Trail does not stand a chance above 10tdp

Bay Trail is 50% faster per clock compared to Clovertrail+ that at 1ghz cinebench 11.5 scores 0.10 pts in single thread performance so Bay Trail will score 0.15 while AMDs Temash at 1ghz scores 0.26 pts single thread.

ARM chips at 20nm will crush Bay Trail and AMDs Beema/Leopard will crush Bay Trail. So, dont get hyped up about Bay Trail, it will be still crappy.

July 5, 2013 | 11:39 PM - Posted by Tri Wahyudianto (not verified)

can't we have intel + nvidia solution for tablet or high smartphone ?

July 6, 2013 | 03:12 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Another Architectural Holy War with added willy-waving and bogus logic thrown in for free!

We've been here before: How'd that work out for MIPS, SPARc, ALPHA, Silicon Graphics and the AMD 29K?

Seems to me that there are too many 'offerings' in the tablet and smartphone markets and its about to get even more crowded.
Joe Public will need some form of product differentiator.

Let the Marketing commence.
See you at the Intel April 2014 earnings conference call folks.

(I'm a long term Intel stockholder - 30 years)

July 6, 2013 | 07:29 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Better diversify your portfolio, beacuse the PC/Laptop market is saturated, and I would love to have a laptop/PC with one of those ARM server chips in it, Plenty of cores, and not the xeon server processor High price! Yes give me a 16 or higher core ARM server farm on a chip for cheeper than a core i7, and I will be very happy to 86 the x86!
Those ARM based chromebooks are just the start, of getting Intel Outside!

July 6, 2013 | 09:02 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Intel has the best silicon engineers on the planet. Oh, and they have their own fabs to respin chips with any changes immediately. ARM is simply a designer. Intel does both. Don't f*ck with Intel.

July 7, 2013 | 07:11 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Really, do you even Know what it costs to make the masks for those chips, it costs millions, do you Know how long it takes to get a wafer line up and running, with low enough defect rates, so that all your profits are not eaten up by wasted product! Changes can not be implimented immediately in any high volumn chip FAB from any company, just look how long it takes Intel to fix the intel chipset defects! Apple has some damn good silicon chip engineers, Apple licensed the ARM instruction set only, then built their own microprocessor, from the ground up, around the ARM instruction set, to acheive some of the lowest power consuming tablets/smartphones, and Apple sells millions, and has a much bigger bank account than Intel! ARM holdings designs a refrence CPU and other IP that a whole industry uses, and ARM licenses come in different levels, from using the standard ARM refrence design, to licensing just the instruction set, and doing what Apple, Qualcomm, and a few others do, which is design a CPU to run the ARM instruction set! Fabless production will rule the marketplace, and allows many smaller companys to enter the ARM based ecosystem Industry, an Industry without an Intel ring through its nose!

July 9, 2013 | 04:06 AM - Posted by Trey Long (not verified)

CPU world is INTEL's bailiwik. They are ALREADY closing in and can afford to throw enormous resources YEAR after YEAR to make products so compelling that manufacturers can't resist. The GPU argument is a straw man because they were never close to the top graphics companies. To dismiss Intel as a competitor by looking in the rear view mirror is childish. They want market share in the mobile space, and I would bet they will get it.

July 9, 2013 | 06:43 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Not If Apple has any thing to say about it, and Apple has the big bucks to take on Intel! The future does Not have an Intel Ring through its nose! Mobile device makers have knoledge of Intel's past business practices, and even IBM, at the dawn of the PC era, knew enough to force Intel to second source and cross license the x86 instruction set with AMD! IBM did this to keep its CPU supplies safe from monopolistic market forces! The ARM and Linux products and ecosystem represents the individual's and entire industry's collective will, to be free of the unhealthy WINTEL alliance!

July 13, 2013 | 12:35 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Intel FTW...I will be looking for a "Silvermont" tablet !
Intel has the brains/fabs baby !

July 15, 2013 | 01:07 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Another benchmarking pitfall by Intel and overhype spotted.

This was posted on Nvidia's tweets.
http://www.bdti.com/InsideDSP/2013/07/11/JeffBierImpulseResponse

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