Haswell, we have a problem. USB 3.0 woes may lead to delays

Subject: General Tech | April 5, 2013 - 02:06 PM |
Tagged: haswell, Intel, usb 3.0, oops

Hardware.Info has recently had confirmation of the rumours we have heard about Intel's USB 3.0 chipset in Haswell; the problem exists and it will cause delays.  Many readers may find this remeniscent of the issues with the Marvell 88SE9123 SATA controller from back in the days of P55 boards.  This time however the issue has been caught before a single board was sold and while it is upsetting that we will be waiting even longer for Haswell perhaps it is better to get a working product late.  It could be quite annoying to lose all your peripherals every time your machine goes into S3.  Follow the links from their post for more details.

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"Intel now officially admits there is a problem with USB 3.0 in Haswell products, and that solving the issue will affect delivery times of various products"

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April 5, 2013 | 02:54 PM - Posted by Berger (not verified)

Generic grumbly-upset comment: I just want an ultra book w/ a Haswell i5/i7, descrete gfx (Nvid 750M or AMD 8xxx equivalent), crazy high res touch screen (2560x1440) and 8+ gigs of ram. Mby I am just too niche :(

(I did read about some manufacture Sony or Samsung at CES '13 had a product like this in their pipeline, but alas I play the wait game a bit more)

April 5, 2013 | 03:44 PM - Posted by RoboGeoff (not verified)

The general state of desktop hardware evolution has been disappointing for the last 5 years since Bloomfield. This is what happens in an industry where there's no competition and no growth.

April 5, 2013 | 03:47 PM - Posted by doom_Oo7 (not verified)

Berger: I would like the same as yours, but with Thunderbolt also. :D

April 5, 2013 | 03:58 PM - Posted by Berger (not verified)

you are right, I did leave out Thunderbolt.

Excellent, now we have 2 people! Soon we will have our Ultra Ultra Book!

April 5, 2013 | 04:28 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

I want a Required sticker to be placed on every laptop that has only Intel GPUs, That states "this computer comes with Intel GENERIC HD graphics drivers", as most laptop OEMs fail to update their customized Intel HD graphics drivers, EVER...! Intel CAN NOT UPDATE OEM CUSTOMIZED HD GRAPHICS DRIVERS, and the OEMs are not being brought to task by the technical press on this under reported ISSUE with INTEL HD graphics, and driver updates!

April 6, 2013 | 05:52 AM - Posted by arbiter

Some cases Windows update has newer drives that can be installed from it.

April 6, 2013 | 11:30 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

The Windows update proveded the updated INTEL HD graphics driver update for the GENERIC INTEL HD GRAPHICS DRIVERS that are, by pure luck, on my ASUS, But! OEM customized drivers must come from the OEM that built the laptop!
OEMs are not updating their Customizied INTEL hd graphics drivers, Just Google 'Toshiba and graphics driver updates' and see the gamers and others that are in need of Intel HD graphics driver updates for their games to work! Yes the updates are often provided through windows update, beacuse Intel does this for their Generic HD graphics drivers, but my Toshiba laptop has never had an update to the OEM customized HD grapmics drivers, and is not fit for its original intended purpose, of running my graphics programs, wings3d and Blender, dew to Toshiba's lack of driver update support! My newest laptop A Samsung sereies 3 has OEM customized Intel HD graphics drivers also, but beacuse the laptop is newer the customizied Intel HD graphics drivers are newer, and therefore works with wings3d amd blender! Does this imply that to get updated drivers for some laptop OEM's products, some laptop owners have to buy a new laptop, well in some cases, the answer is HELL YES!
P.S. I am not the Cranky one, but get off of my lawn, anyways!

April 8, 2013 | 05:07 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

google 'station-drivers'

your welcome.

April 8, 2013 | 05:20 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Secondly... TOSHIBA, or for that matter any other oem, does not have the ability to change the on-die graphics drivers embedded into sandy bridge or ivy bridge based mobile parts. You must be running an older Toshiba laptop. Even then, the 'generic' drivers intel offers on their site are more than enough, if not better than the BS drivers that the oem approved of and edited the inf to brand their name into the driver... otherwise, you're running the generic driver just with the oem's branding in it (anything past 4 series express chipsets).

Thirdly... if the integrated mobile graphics isn't capable of running something (like your Toshiba's on board graphics were, probably a $300 laptop running the lowest of the low mobile hardware) doesn't mean it is a problem with the graphics, but more so you're too dumb to realize that the onboard graphics are not capable of meeting minimum requirements for hardware acceleration... especially with 8 - 32mb of shared memory for a frame buffer and textures. In which case, I don't think you really know what the hell you're doing... or for that matter, have the simple ability to problem solve, and come to the conclusion that you're just an idiot.

April 8, 2013 | 10:12 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

There are no "On Die" graphics drivers, the drivers are mostly the software portion of the mix of hardware and software on the Sandy Bridge core! there is the integrated GPU and what ever microcode that implements the GPU's functionality, there is some functionality of OpenGL, directX, etc implemented in the microcode of the GPUs firmware/microcode, but the complaint still stands as far as the driver software side of the equation! Intel updates the software side on a regular basis, My ASUS has Intel Generic HD graphics drivers, but not my Toshiba and Samsung, and all of my laptops cost around $500.00 new.
Now, on most driver software, and portion of the OpenGL, driectX, etc frameworks that are not implemented in the hardware of the GPU, are implemented in the driver software, and runs a bit slower than the microcoded hardware implemented portions! So the driver updates of wich I speak are the software portions that can and should be updated regularly, Intel updates the Intel Generic HD graphics drivers on a regular basis, I would like to have a sticker placed on the bottom of laptops, That States "This lpatop comes with Intel Generic HD graphics drivers", If the laptop does not have Intel generic HD graphics drivers, then I will not Buy it!

April 8, 2013 | 10:21 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Edit wich to which, and lpatop to laptop.

April 8, 2013 | 10:37 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

edit: the drivers are mostly the software portion

To Read: the drivers are mostly the software portion [not related directly related to] the software portion of the mix of hardware and software [firmware] on the Sandy Bridge core

[changes sre in Brackets] damn my spelling and some of my composition!

April 8, 2013 | 10:40 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

Fix [not related directly related to] to [not directly related to] , Damn IT!

April 8, 2013 | 10:50 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

You are a Toshiba damage control Minion, Toshiba's Crappy system software "toshiba value added package" and No OEM customized HD graphics driver updates! Allways ask for Intel Generic Hd graphics drivers, If you need Intel HD graphics dirver updates, and most gamers Do need Updates for time to time!

April 8, 2013 | 11:03 AM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

If Intel Has the MegaBucks to Give to OEMs to develop the UltraBook then It has the MegaBucks to give to OEMs some Of that mega cash for HD graphics driver updates, And Intel Wonders why its integrated GPU will not compete with the descrete offerings of AMD and Nvidia, its the driver software stupid, and the regular driver Updates!!!

April 5, 2013 | 05:10 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

All is Not Well with Haswell, say the Two Old Guys in VIP balcony, Ha Ha He He He, snicker snicker!

April 8, 2013 | 01:14 PM - Posted by Anonymous (not verified)

No matter how many bells and whistles Intel engineers into their CPU/GPU products, If there is no Software that uses these bells and whistles, and If there is no ability to update software to take advantage of these bells and whistles in the future, on hardware that comes with these new features, that are currently not supported in software, then what is the use in buying the new hardware! Laptop OEMs are taking the feature set of the Intel integrated GPUs, that are supported by Intel Genaric HD graphics drivers, or will be supported by future Intel Genaric hd graphics driver updates, and stripping the generic Intel HD graphics drivers of the funcitions, that the OEMs do not want to spend the time or money to implement properly, and leaving the laptops's owners with poorly written and, in some cases, driver software that will never be updated to take advantage of these new features!

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