Subject: Cases and Cooling | February 6, 2012 - 02:49 PM | Tim Verry
Tagged: water cooling, triple radiator, origin pc, liquid cooling, hsf, cpu block
Origin PC has started offering a unique water cooling solution called the Frostbyte 360. The self contained water loop includes a CPU water black, pump, tubing, and a triple 120mm radiator. The company claims that the new cooler has allowed their overclocking teams to reach overclocked processor speeds of 5.2 GHz on their systems. Kevin Wasielewski, the Origin PC CEO and co-founder has stated that the Frostbyte 360 is "a maintenance free liquid cooling solution, Origin PC customers can enjoy top-end CPU performance at a fraction of the cost."
Although his claims that "traditional" watercooling systems for extreme overclocking required hundreds in not thousands of dollars of components is a bit extreme, it is a hobby that can get expensive.
Especially if you are only interested in cooling a CPU, the various "all in one" solutions like the Corsair Hydro series and the Antec Kuhler series can be a viable option. What is interesting about the Origin offering; however, is the inclusion of a triple 120mm radiator in the loop, which is more than the competition and should be plenty of radiator space to keep your processor nice and chilly even when overclocked.
According to Origin, features of the new Frostbyte 360 water cooling system include:
- Micro-channel copper CPU block
- 360mm (3x120mm) high efficiency copper radiator
- Embedded temperature sensor measures copper surface temperature accurate to within 1°C
- Factory sealed, maintenance free operation
- Silent pump
- Thermal resistance as low as 0.085 C/W
- 1 to 3 year warranty on PCs that include the new cooler.
Currently, the new Frostbyte 360 sealed loop water cooler is available in Origin PC's Genesis series computers, which start at $1,599 USD and can be added to the computer in the configurator. UPDATE: The Frostbyte 360 is not sold as a standalone product; however, current and previous Origin PC customers can purchase it as an upgrade.
It will be interesting to see if the the company will take on the Corsair and others more directly by selling the Frostbyte 360 cooler itself to customers. Although not expandable like a traditional water cooler, it is also less costly and should not require any maintenance for at least a few years. Would you be interested in using one of these 360 rad sealed loop coolers in your builds?
Introduction and Features
Courtesy of NZXT
NZXT added two mid-tower case offerings to its Tempest series today that feature custom solutions for dual-radiator watercooling systems and dual "touch-powered" 120mm front fans with removable filters. The Tempest 410 and Tempest 410 Elite are available for $79.99 and $89.99. Today, we are kicking the tires on the Tempest 410 Elite to ensure enthusiasts and overclockers get the most bang for their buck for their next mid-tower case upgrade.
Courtesy of NZXT
Both Tempest 410 and Tempest 410 Elite cases incorporate a honeycomb mesh design to the front, top, and back panels and advanced cable management systems for concealing loose wires and power cords. The Tempest 410 Elite ups the ante with an acrylic side panel to see all the hardware inside the chassis.
Subject: Cases and Cooling, Processors | August 13, 2011 - 02:53 AM | Tim Verry
Tagged: amd, FX, octocore, water cooling, sealed loop, LCS, hsf
According to Xbit Labs, AMD is considering switching out the usual air cooler (HSF) for a sealed loop liquid cooling solution (LCS) for its high end FX Processors. Specifically, AMD wants to pair their highest end eight core processor (and possibly the next highest end eight core chip) with the sealed loop liquid cooling solution. This information, they believe, comes from a “source with knowledge of the company’s plans.”
If you are not familiar with the sealed loop water coolers, PC Perspective reviewed the Corsair H70 processor cooler last year and it is a good example. Sealed loop water coolers are similar to the large DIY water cooling loops comprised of a large radiator, copper CPU block, pump, and reservoir all connected in a loop by tubing; however, they usually have smaller radiators and pumps as well as coolant that cannot be refilled (and should not have to be). This coolant carries heat away from the processor to be dissipated through a radiator. Corsair in particular has heavily invested in this once very niche product with it’s H series of coolers.
Traditionally, both Intel and AMD have been content in pairing their chips with mid-range but cheap air coolers that did a decent job of keeping the processors within their thermal limits at stock speeds. Enthusiasts, and especially those interested in overclocking, have generally ditched the included cooler in favor of a more powerful and/or quieter aftermarket cooler. Needless to say, including a cooler, especially with high end chips that will likely go to enthusiasts, that’s never even used only serves to add additional unnecessary cost for both consumers and the manufacturer. Thus, this move to bundle a more powerful sealed loop water cooler with its high end chips may be an attempt by AMD to futher appeal to enthusiasts and keep with their traditional image of being friendly to overclockers and hardware enthusiasts. Having and using a water cooler that is supported by the chip maker certainly doesn’t hurt, especially if it ever came down to warranty and RMA situations. On the other hand, enthusiasts can be very picky about which cooler to use in their systems; therefore, bundling a cooler that is sure to add even more extra cost to the package may not be the right move for AMD. At best, consumers are likely to see an extra $50 or so added to the sure to be pricey highest end eight core chips.
Their idea, if true, surely has merit, but is it wise? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below!
Subject: Graphics Cards | August 3, 2011 - 04:10 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: water cooling, zotac, omni, infinity edition, GTX 580
HONG KONG – Aug. 2, 2011 – ZOTAC International, a leading innovator and the world’s largest channel manufacturer of graphics cards, motherboards and mini-PCs, today unveils two new water-cooling solutions – the GeForce GTX 580 Infinity Edition and ZOTAC Omni for gamers that demand a water-cooled graphics card or want to upgrade their existing graphics card with water-cooling.
“As graphics processors become more powerful, greater cooling performance is a necessity which typically results in greater noise levels. To combat the heat and noise levels, water-cooling is an excellent solution,” said Carsten Berger, marketing director. “By equipping the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 580 Infinity Edition with a water-cooler, we were able to reduce temperatures by over 25-percent and produce lower noise levels.”
Gamers with existing ZOTAC GeForce GTX 580, GTX 570 and GTX 480 graphics card can opt for the ZOTAC Omni water-cooling upgrade kit. The ZOTAC Omni kit includes the self-contained water-cooling solution and everything a gamer needs to water-cool reference-design GeForce GTX 580, 570 and 480 graphics cards. It’s time to play with the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 580 Infinity Edition and Omni water-cooling upgrade.
- New ZOTAC GeForce GTX 580Infinity Edition graphics card & ZOTAC Omni water-cooling upgrade kit
- ZOTAC GeForce GTX 580 Infinity Edition
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 GPU
- Engine clock: 815 MHz
- 512 unified shaders
- Shader clock: 1630 MHz
- 1536MB GDDR5 memory
- Memory clock: 4100 MHz
- 384-bit memory interface
- Self-contained water-cooling solution from CoolIT Systems
- Dual dual-link DVI-I & mini-HDMI outputs o PCI Express 2.0 interface (Compatible with 1.1)
- Microsoft DirectX 11 & OpenGL 4.1 compatible
- NVIDIA CUDA technology with CUDA C/C++
- NVIDIA PhysX technology
- NVIDIA SLI (3-way) and 3D Vision Surround ready
- ZOTAC Boost Premium software bundle included
- Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands game bundle
- ZOTAC Omni water-cooling upgrade kit
- Self-contained water-cooling upgrade
- Compatible with ZOTAC and reference design GeForce GTX 580, 570 and 480 graphics cards
Subject: Cases and Cooling | August 3, 2011 - 03:03 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: water cooling, corsair, h80
Don't confuse the Corsair H80 High Performance liquid cooler as a less expensive version of the H100 Extreme, with a price difference of $10 you will be disappointed with it. Instead think of it like a small form factor version of the very large H100. It is not quite reduced 50% in size, sitting at 152mm (6") x 120mm (4.7") x 38mm (1.5") it has a substantial radiator but not big enough for a pair of 120mm fans to be needed. Overall it performed as well as the larger H100 if not better but like its bigger brother it falls behind the competition once [H]ard|OCP breaks out price to performance measurements.
"Today we are reviewing the Corsair Hydro Series H80 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler. This cooler may look very familiar in that it is a step down from the flagship Corsair H100, but still carries much of the same DNA. Basically the H80 is about $10 less expensive with a lot less radiator to worry about."
Here are some more Cases & Cooling reviews from around the web:
- Corsair Hydro H80 Review @ OCC
- Thermaltake Frio CPU cooler @ VR-Zone
- Zalman CNPS 11X Extreme CPU Cooler Review @Hi Tech Legion
- Arctic Freezer 13 Limited Edition CPU Cooler @ Real World Labs
- Thermaltake FrioOCK CPU Cooler @ Pro-Clockers
- Cooler Master Hyper 612 PWM CPU Cooler Review @Hi Tech Legion
- Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro CPU Cooler Review @ ThinkComputers
- Arctic Freezer 13 Limited Edition CPU cooler @ Funky Kit
- Lamptron Fan Controller FC8 Review @ Madshrimps
- Bitfenix Shinobi Window Case Review @ OCIA
- Corsair Carbide Series 400R Case Review @ Hardware Secrets
- BitFenix Shinobi Window PC Case Review - A Ninja Worth Your Coin @ The SSD Review
- Rosewill Thor V2 ATX Full-Tower Gaming Computer Case Review @ Tweaknews
- Fractal Design Define R3 Mid-Tower Chassis Review @ Techgage
- 3-Way Budget Case Roundup @ Neoseeker
- Cooler Master CM STORM Enforcer Review @ HardwareLOOK
- Silverstone Fortress FT03 mATX Tower Case @ Pro-Clockers
Subject: Editorial, Graphics Cards | July 29, 2011 - 02:27 PM | Ryan Shrout
Tagged: water cooling, pny, liquid cooler, GTX 580, geforce
Just Delivered is a section of PC Perspective where we share some of the goodies that pass through our labs that may or may not see a review, but are pretty cool none the less.
Today is a good day to be working at PC Perspective - the goods just keep hitting the door! After taking a quick look at a new MSI motherboard we also have the world's first look at the upcoming PNY XLR8 Liquid Cooled GTX 580 + CPU cooler combo!
You know how self-contained water cooling for processors is all the rage these days? (And why not, we love it!) Well NVIDIA and PNY teamed up to create a liquid cooled GPU, the GTX 580 of course, and also have two options for it: one with the GPU only and the other that includes an inline CPU water block as well.
We literally have the first two production units from PNY in-house and are going through the installation process for them as I type this. The GTX 580s support SLI (if you want to go that route) and look much like a reference GTX 580 in terms of their external design. The insides are quite different though:
Asetek provides a GPU water block that is mounted on the PCB while the fan runs at a much lower speed than normal as it is basically only used for keeping the memory temperatures under control.
Our units include the CPU water block portion as well which DOES add to the complexity of the installation as well as packaging but I think we are going to find this to be a very efficient (and quiet) way to cool almost your entire rig.
Did I mention we are going to be giving BOTH OF THEM AWAY at our Hardware Workshop next weekend at Quakecon 2011? Well now I did. These are valued at $650 each! Just another reason why you need to be in attendance, don't you think?
Subject: Cases and Cooling | July 21, 2011 - 08:05 PM | Tim Verry
Tagged: water cooling, hsf, h80, corsair, cooling
We talked about the Corsair H80 (and H100) all in one water coolers in a previous post as they were announced a few months ago; however, it seems that they are finally out in the wild and ready for review. Neoseeker has the review ball today and has posted a concise five page review of the device. Forunately, from their testing it seems to stack up well compared to its predecessors, though the review does note that the fan noise can become rather loud.
"...the H80 also includes the same easy to use mounting system as the H60. This was one of the aspects we liked the most about the H60, so we are more than pleased to see it return with this new unit. The low-profile block and 120mm radiator will allow the Corsair H80 to fit into nearly any chassis, with the only exceptions being some of the smaller HTPC cases."
You can read more about the sealed loop water cooler here.
And in other case and cooling news:
- Thermaltake Frio OCK Review @ Motherboards.org
- Thermaltake A30 Armor Case Review @ Motherboards.org
- Evercool Transformer 4 HSF Review @ Hardware Secrets
- Corsair Hydro H80 Review @ eTeknix
- SilverStone Raven RV03 @ Anandtech
Subject: Cases and Cooling | July 4, 2011 - 03:31 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: water cooling, Larkooler, water block, radiator
The Larkooler KU3-241 Extreme Performance G1/4" Liquid Cooling Kit, is an all in one cooling system from a company that not many have heard of. The kit consists of a pump, reservoir, radiator and water block; even coolant and tubing are included in the package. XtremeComputing reports that it sells overseas for less that 200 Euros, which makes it expensive but not overly when compared to some other watercooling kits. The performance was good but they were very disappointed to find that the waterblock is not compatible with LGA1155, so you European Sandy Bridge users will have to wait for a new model.
"Today I will be reviewing the Larkooler KU3-241 ‘Extreme Performance G1/4" Liquid Cooling Kit’. I have never heard of GBU or Larkooler before, so we are in unchartered waters with this new water cooling kit. I have dabbled with water-cooling before, primarily working with Swiftech components, so I know what to expect from the big names – let’s see how this new contender fares."
Here are some more Cases & Cooling reviews from around the web:
- Koolance CPU-370 Water Block @ Bjorn3D
- Antec Kühler H2O 920 CPU Cooler Review @ Madshrimps
- Thermolab Trinity Heatsink Review @ Frostytech
- Koolance CPU-370 Water Block @ Bjorn3D
- Coolermaster HAF 932 Advanced @ XSReviews
- Cubitek M4 Gaming Chassis Review @ OverclockersHQ
- SilverStone Precision PS06 (SST-PS06B-W) Mid Tower Chassis @ Tweaktown
- 3R System L-900 V.REX F8 PC Case Review @ Real World Labs
- Sentey Arvina Full-Tower Chassis Review @ Techgage
- NZXT Source 210 Elite @ techPowerUp
- Thermaltake Level 10 GT Full-Tower Chassis Review @ Techgage
Subject: Cases and Cooling | June 11, 2011 - 01:35 AM | Tim Verry
Tagged: water cooling, PCCooler OC3, hsf, cooling
PCCooler OC3, a company not widely known of outside of China due to limited worldwide distribution, had its fair showing at Computex 2011 where the company showed off a new CPU cooler.
The new W120 cooler at first glance appears to be another modern tower style air cooler; however, it has a feature that the other cooler lack. Namely, the W120 supports both air and water cooling. When used as an air cooler, the W120 acts as one would expect, and a 120mm fan moves air across aluminum fins that are connected via (six) heat pipes to a copper base plate that transfers heat away from the processor.
When hooked into an existing water cooling loop; however, the tower cooler acts as a water block as well as assisting in dispersing heat via the fins and 120mm fan. The company claims that when the cooler is used in this fashion, it is capable of dissipating up to 500 watts of power-- much more than any current CPU can deliver even when heavily overclocked.
It’s certainly an interesting design, and if the company’s claim hold merit, this cooler is likely to be popular among overclockers if the price is right. Unfortunately, enthusiasts in the US are not likely to see this any time soon. You can see more pictures of the cooler; however, over at EXPreview.
Image copyright 2011 EXPreview. Used under fair usage guidelines for purposes of commentary and reporting.
Subject: Graphics Cards | June 8, 2011 - 08:21 AM | Tim Verry
Tagged: water cooling, pny, nvidia, GTX 580, asetek
At E3 2011, PNY and Asetek showed off a new NVIDIA GTX 580 graphics card that is cooled by an Asetek water cooler. Another variant that includes a CPU water block in the sealed-water loop will also be available. The new system promises up to 30% lower temps compared to the NVIDIA reference cooler. Further, Asetek claims that the new cooler will result in increased headroom for overclocking, and a decrease in acoustics due to using a larger 120mm fan that can spin much slower (and quieter) than the traditional graphics card fan at the same level of cooling performance.
Nicholas Mauro, the Senior Marketing Manager for PC Components at PNY stated that “with a design that outperforms current equivalent air cooled models, this simple all-in-one solution will resonate deeply with gamers looking for a powerful yet affordable option.”
PNY is currently running a pre-order promotional bundle on the PNY website, which includes “$100 worth of bonus PNY gear: a 16ft HDMI Mini to HDMI cable, a custom-built PNY 8GB ‘Liquid Cooled’ USB Flash Drive, and a ‘Liquid Cooled logo T-shirt.” The XLR8 Liquid Cooled GTX 580 has a MSRP of $579.99 while the GPU+CPU water loop, the “XLR8 Liquid Cooled GTX 580 with CPU Cooling,” carries a MSRP of $649.99. The new coolers will come with a standard 3 year warranty, which is extended to 5 years if registered on PNY’s website. They will be available for purchase at the end of June at various brick and mortar and online retailers.
The street price of these coolers will likely determine how much adoption they will receive, as they are in a narrow market between high end air cooling and a DIY water loop.