Subject: Editorial, General Tech | June 21, 2011 - 02:36 PM | Ryan Shrout
Tagged: VIA, sysmark, nvidia, Intel, benchmark, bapco, amd
It seems that all the tech community is talking about today is BAPCo and its benchmarking suite called Sysmark. A new version, 2012, was released just recently and yesterday we found out that AMD, NVIDIA and VIA have all dropped their support of the "Business Applications Performance Corporation". Obviously those companies have a beef with the benchmark as it is, yet somehow one company stands behind the test: Intel.
Everyone you know of is posting about it. My twitter feed "asplode" with comments like this:
AMD quits BAPCo, says SYSmark is nutso. Nvidia and VIA, they say, also. http://bit.ly/kHvKux
AMD: Voting For Openness: In order to get a better understanding of AMD's press release earlier concerning BAPCO... http://bit.ly/kNtKkj
Ooh, BapCo drama.
Even PC Perspective posted on this drama yesterday afternoon saying: "The disputes centered mostly over the release of SYSmark 2012. For years various members have been complaining about various aspects of the product which they allege Intel strikes down and ignores while designing each version. One major complaint is the lack of reporting on the computer’s GPU performance which is quickly becoming beyond relevant to an actual system’s overall performance. With NVIDIA, AMD, and VIA gone from the consortium, Intel is pretty much left alone in the company: now officially."
Obviously while cutting the grass this morning this is the topic swirling through my head; so thanks for that everyone. My question is this: does it really matter and how is this any different than it has been for YEARS? The cynical side of me says that AMD, NVIDIA and VIA all dropped out because each company's particular products aren't stacking up as well as Intel's when it comes to the total resulting score. Intel makes the world's fastest CPUs, I don't think anyone with a brain will dispute that, and as such on benchmarks that test the CPU, they are going to have the edge.
We recently reviewed the AMD Llano-based Sabine platform and in CPU-centric tests like SiSoft Sandra, TrueCrypt and 7zip the AMD APU is noticeably slower. But AMD isn't sending out press releases and posting blogs about how these benchmarks don't show the true performance of a system as the end user will see. And Intel isn't pondering why we used games like Far Cry 2 and Just Cause 2 to show the AMD APU dominating there. Why? Because these tests are part of a suite of benchmarks we use to show the overall performance of a system. They are tools which competent reviewers wield in order to explain to readers why certain hardware acts in a certain way in certain circumstances.
Continue reading for more on this topic...
Subject: General Tech, Processors | June 20, 2011 - 04:46 PM | Scott Michaud
Tagged: VIA, sysmark, nvidia, bapco, amd
People like benchmarks. Benchmarks tell you which component to purchase while your mouse flutters between browser tabs of various Newegg or Amazon pages. Benchmarks let you see how awesome your PC is because often videogames will not for a couple of years. One benchmark you probably have not seen here in a very long time is Sysmark from the Business Applications Performance Corporation, known as BAPCo to its friends and well-wishers. There has been dispute over the political design of BAPCo and it eventually boiled over with AMD, NVIDIA, and VIA rolling off the sides of the pot.
Fixed that for you
The disputes centered mostly over the release of SYSmark 2012. For years various members have been complaining about various aspects of the product which they allege Intel strikes down and ignores while designing each version. One major complaint is the lack of reporting on the computer’s GPU performance which is quickly becoming beyond relevant to an actual system’s overall performance. With NVIDIA, AMD, and VIA gone from the consortium, Intel is pretty much left alone in the company: now officially.
PC Perspective Podcast #155 - MSI GT680R Notebook, Corsair 650D chassis, VIA Nano Quad Core and more!
Subject: Editorial, General Tech | May 19, 2011 - 03:24 PM | Ken Addison
Tagged: pcper, podcast, msi, VIA, Nano, quad core, corsair, 650d, Intel
PC Perspective Podcast #155 - 5/19/2011
This week we talk about the MSI GT680R Notebook, Corsair 650D chassis, VIA Nano Quad Core and more!
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Hosts: Jeremy Hellstrom, Josh Walrath and Allyn Malventano
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- 00:38 Introduction
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- http://twitter.com/ryanshrout and http://twitter.com/pcper
- 02:14 MSI GT680R Notebook Review: Sandybridge for Gamers
- 05:13 Video Perspective: Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Chassis Review
- 06:20 VIA Nano Quad Core Preview
- 16:45 This Podcast is brought to you by MSI
, and their all new Sandy Bridge Motherboards!
- 17:15 Intel Investor Conference
- 33:30 No emails - sorry! busy driving race cars in Dubai
- Email us! firstname.lastname@example.org or 1-888-38-PCPER
- 33:45 Hardware / Software Pick of the Week
- http://twitter.com/ryanshrout and http://twitter.com/pcper
- 42:40 Closing
Subject: Processors, Shows and Expos | May 12, 2011 - 12:22 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
Tagged: VIA, Nano, quadcore, quad, centaur
VIA has been sitting pretty in a very specific peice of the computer market for quite a while now and is now being crowded by AMD and Intel working their way down to the low power market from their usual energy gobbling silicon and ARM sneaking up its performance from its traditional extremely low power consumption market. That competition has spurred VIA to develop first the dual core Nano X2 and now the QuadCore which is a pair of X2's on a single package using what was described to The Tech Report as a "side channel" of wiring between them. Still on 40nm it doesn't represent a completely new design for VIA, more a refinement of what they already produce. Check out their coverage as well as the write up Josh has finished here.
"Early this year, Via introduced its Nano X2 processor, a dual-core implementation of its Isaiah architecture built on TSMC's 40-nm chip fabrication process. Today, Via is announcing a new product, the QuadCore processor, that combines a pair of Nano X2 chips on a single package to deliver a low-cost, low-power CPU whose position in the market is fairly distinctive.
We visited Via-Centaur's Austin, Texas offices yesterday, where we chatted with Centaur Chief Architect Glenn Henry and Via marketing head Richard Brown. We came away with some fresh details on the QuadCore processor and a better sense of Via's future plans as an intriguing third-place supplier of x86-compatible PC processors."
Here are some more Processor articles from around the web:
- VIA QuadCore Preview & Centaur Tour @ [H]ard|OCP
- VIA's QuadCore: Nano Gets Bigger @ AnandTech
- The Best Budget & Mainstream Processors @ Techspot
- Intel Core i7 990X Extreme Edition Processor Review @ Legit Reviews
- Desktop CPU Comparison Guide Rev. 10.3 @ Tech ARP
- AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition AM3 Processor Review @ eTeknix
- AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition Processor Review @Hi Tech Legion
Past Nano History
One could argue that VIA jumped on the low power bandwagon before it was really cool. Way back in the late 90s VIA snatched up processor firms Cyrix and Centaur, and started to merge those design teams to create low powered x86 CPUs. Over the next several years VIA was still flying high on the chipset side, but due to circumstances started to retreat from that business. On the Intel side it was primarily due to the legal issues that stemmed from the front side bus license that VIA had, and how it apparently did not apply to the Pentium 4. On the AMD side it was more about the increased competition from NVIDIA and ATI/AMD, plus the lack of revenue from that smaller CPU market. Other areas have kept VIA afloat through the years, such as audio codecs, very popular Firewire controllers, and the latest USB 3.0 components that are starting to show up.
Considering all of the above, VIA thought its best way to survive was to get into the CPU business and explore a niche in the x86 market that had been widely ignored except for a handful of products from guys like Nat Semi (who had originally bought up Cyrix). In the late 90s and early 00s there just was not much of a call for low power x86 products, and furthermore the industry was still at a point where even mundane productivity software would max out the top end x86 processors at the time. This was a time where 1GHz was still not common, and all processors were single core. Fast forward to 2011 and we have four and six core processors running in excess of 3 GHz. We have also seen a dramatic shift in the x86 realm to specialized, lower power processors.
Read on for more details!
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